Early Morning Pre workout supp

[jjmath]

Is it okay to take a Pre workout supp like xplode or jacked, bcaa 30 min later and during workout. No carbs, but 50 grams casein before bed? I'm pretty well ripped, about 8%bf, and trying to build, of course but I don't wanna be fat.

[boxa06]

I don't understand the first part of your post but yes it's ok to take 50g of casien before bed. Also this is the wrong section to get a response about a cycle.

[jjmath]

Okay, sorry, I removed that part.

The first part is really about wether or not I'm in a "fasted state" after taking a Pre workout stim/pump supp. The part about the casein is: how fasted would you reallybe if you had 50 grams casein before bed, assuming it takes four hours to digest, and assuming you sleep for seven hours, that's really only three to four hours in between meals before lifting....the bigger question though, is does the Pre work out supp fight the effects of being "fasted".

Hope that makes sense. I joined this forum thinking that this community would have better and more informed knowledge Thant the many doped at bb.com

[boxa06]

Why would you want to be in a fasted state before lifting weights? You won't lift at your optimum. But to answer your question you would be if the pre workout has no calories as some do and some don't.

The casien you take at night will be long gone by the time you wake up.

[M302_Imola]

The BCAA's would be more muscle sparing than your preworkout supp when training fasted. Like Boxa06 said, why would you want to train in the fasted state? Low intensity cardio is one thing but I would never lift weights in the fasted state...IMO, you are asking for catabolism. IF I were you I would have a protein + carb meal upon waking (preferrably 1-1.5 hrs before weights) and then have your preworkout supp 30 mins before weights. You could sip on BCAA's throughout your workout if you prefer.

[jjmath]

I don't want to lift fasted or catabolic per se.....however, I already get up at 5:30 and lifting by 6:00. Due to the nature of my job, I cant get to bed any time before 10:30, sometimes not until midnight. Is sacrificing sleep better than lifting fasted? Should I bag the preworkout supp altogether and have a whey+carb shake 30 mins prior? Full time job + wife + kids + busy schedule = lift at 6-7 am only, with (hopefully) 5-6 hours of sleep.....

Having said that, I do have plenty of energy in the AM...IDK whats best to do...I look like a fitness model, not a bodybuilder, but thats what I want to achieve. I'm probably screwed...

[M302_Imola]

I don't want to lift fasted or catabolic per se.....however, I already get up at 5:30 and lifting by 6:00. Due to the nature of my job, I cant get to bed any time before 10:30, sometimes not until midnight. Is sacrificing sleep better than lifting fasted? Should I bag the preworkout supp altogether and have a whey+carb shake 30 mins prior? Full time job + wife + kids + busy schedule = lift at 6-7 am only, with (hopefully) 5-6 hours of sleep.....

Having said that, I do have plenty of energy in the AM...IDK whats best to do...I look like a fitness model, not a bodybuilder, but thats what I want to achieve. I'm probably screwed...

I hear ya man, life does tend to get in the way. Considering your situation I would def. get in a shake containing protein and carbs right upon waking and then hit the gym in 30 mins. Here's my morn shake: 8oz liquid egg whites, 1 cup of oats, 2 scoops of whey, and a dash of cinnamon...blend this all together and add a few cubes of ice. Actually taste pretty good, is fast, and gets the job done. This shake she be absorbed pretty quickly by the body so you wouldn't be training in the fasted state. Considering your schedule I don't see of any way you can fit your preworkout supp into the equation, as they work best on an empty stomach. So just drop it for awhile and see how the protein/carb shake treats you. You could still sip on BCAA's during your workout. You might even try popping a 200mg caffeine pill with your shake to see if you get some energy from that.

[boxa06]

I hear ya man, life does tend to get in the way. Considering your situation I would def. get in a shake containing protein and carbs right upon waking and then hit the gym in 30 mins. Here's my morn shake: 8oz liquid egg whites, 1 cup of oats, 2 scoops of whey, and a dash of cinnamon...blend this all together and add a few cubes of ice. Actually taste pretty good, is fast, and gets the job done. This shake she be absorbed pretty quickly by the body so you wouldn't be training in the fasted state. Considering your schedule I don't see of any way you can fit your preworkout supp into the equation, as they work best on an empty stomach. So just drop it for awhile and see how the protein/carb shake treats you. You could still sip on BCAA's during your workout. You might even try popping a 200mg caffeine pill with your shake to see if you get some energy from that.

I agree with this idea. I also have the exact same breakfast every morning. Egg whites, oats and whey in a blender and it tastes pretty good! I think breakfast is a much better option than a pre workout supp.

Let us know how it goes and good luck!

[gmantheman]

I work out at 5:00 A:M. I take a pre-workout supplement like EPO blast or 1 MR. I mix it with my carb/protein drink about 30-45 min before I hit the gym. Granted the pre-workout energy supplement would probably give me more of a kick if I took it on an empty stomach but it still gives me a little jolt.

[M302_Imola]

I work out at 5:00 A:M. I take a pre-workout supplement like EPO blast or 1 MR. I mix it with my carb/protein drink about 30-45 min before I hit the gym. Granted the pre-workout energy supplement would probably give me more of a kick if I took it on an empty stomach but it still gives me a little jolt.

Yeah I would think your preworkout supp would compete protein/carb shake for absorption...that being said, I'm sure some gets absorbed

[jjmath]

I agree with this idea. I also have the exact same breakfast every morning. Egg whites, oats and whey in a blender and it tastes pretty good! I think breakfast is a much better option than a pre workout supp.

Let us know how it goes and good luck!

Okay, I'm going to drop the pre-workout supp then. I only started using them to get a good "pump" but I've never really been convinced that works real well for me. So now it's more about energy and I think I'll get more energy from having good nutrients in my system instead. This morning I had whey + slice WW bread. Plenty of energy . If I need more I can always have a cup of coffee.

So how's this?.... Make coffee (black) to have on hand cold. add to whey + skim milk = good pre workout? I want to save the oats for breakfast which is about an hour after post W/O whey + dextrose

Thanks guys

[boxa06]

This sounds better although you could add maybe a little bit of oats and just have a bit less later on for breakfast. Say if you had a cup. You could have half pre workout then half later on.

But the plan you came up with is much better than before!

[jjmath]

This sounds better although you could add maybe a little bit of oats and just have a bit less later on for breakfast. Say if you had a cup. You could have half pre workout then half later on.

But the plan you came up with is much better than before!

Hey Boxa, Well it's been a week and I have seen no fat gain thus far, so that's good. I feel like I have plenty of energy so I don't miss the pre workout supp. I've even upped my carbs slightly during the day (up until lunch) for better energy throughout the day. Hard to tell if I gained any muscle so soon, but my wife seems to think I look "fuller" so that's good!

On a side note, I'm following plan laid out by dr. Jim stoppani and the phase I just started is a 5-10-20. Anyone have experience with that...not sure if I'm doing it 100% right...

[AaronJM1984]

A lot of people swear by doing cardio in the am on an empty stomach. I used to buy into it as well, but after spending many hours of reading, I've come across a lot of articles that suggest it is not all that good. One thing I noticed was that I get alittle sluggish if I try to do cardio without having eaten atleast a small meal. Now adays I always aim for cardio post workout.

[boxa06]

Hey Boxa, Well it's been a week and I have seen no fat gain thus far, so that's good. I feel like I have plenty of energy so I don't miss the pre workout supp. I've even upped my carbs slightly during the day (up until lunch) for better energy throughout the day. Hard to tell if I gained any muscle so soon, but my wife seems to think I look "fuller" so that's good!

On a side note, I'm following plan laid out by dr. Jim stoppani and the phase I just started is a 5-10-20. Anyone have experience with that...not sure if I'm doing it 100% right...

Hey mate that's good to hear! Those carbs in the morning should make for some good training sessions. Keep up the good work!

[jjmath]

Hey Boxa, Well it's been a week and I have seen no fat gain thus far, so that's good. I feel like I have plenty of energy so I don't miss the pre workout supp. I've even upped my carbs slightly during the day (up until lunch) for better energy throughout the day. Hard to tell if I gained any muscle so soon, but my wife seems to think I look "fuller" so that's good!

On a side note, I'm following plan laid out by dr. Jim stoppani and the phase I just started is a 5-10-20. Anyone have experience with that...not sure if I'm doing it 100% right...

This is the last week of the 5-10-20 protocol. Next week starts a full body phase. I think I've some decent gains. I gained about 5 pounds and not to much of it fat I'm pretty sure. I haven't been measuring bf with calipers though, so it's just by eyeball. Made small strength gains too. I don't miss the pre workout supp at all. Plenty of energy. Plus I started taking a zma supp. We'll see how that works...

[M302_Imola]

This is the last week of the 5-10-20 protocol. Next week starts a full body phase. I think I've some decent gains. I gained about 5 pounds and not to much of it fat I'm pretty sure. I haven't been measuring bf with calipers though, so it's just by eyeball. Made small strength gains too. I don't miss the pre workout supp at all. Plenty of energy. Plus I started taking a zma supp. We'll see how that works...

good to hear!

[boxa06]

This is the last week of the 5-10-20 protocol. Next week starts a full body phase. I think I've some decent gains. I gained about 5 pounds and not to much of it fat I'm pretty sure. I haven't been measuring bf with calipers though, so it's just by eyeball. Made small strength gains too. I don't miss the pre workout supp at all. Plenty of energy. Plus I started taking a zma supp. We'll see how that works...

very nice gains man! well done!

[dec11]

not to dampen your spirit, but you'd be lucky to gain 5lbs of muscle in 6mths naturally, never mind 1mth mate