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    Balding - Terrified and taking precautions - info+tips welcome

    Been looking into preventative measures to stop the onset of this plague. Apparently testosterone is converted into DHT which causes inflammation of the hair follicles on the head, starting with the most sensitive, and chokes out the cell, permanently killing it.

    So there's some internal things to take that stop the DHT conversion, like propecia. But there are some serious sides with this I believe, such as ED and losing muscle, so not the route I want to take.

    Then there's topical creams and shampoos that stop DHT from converting just at the scalp, like Revivogen. A bit expensive at 20 bucks a bottle, but probably the route I'll go.
    The ingredients used in the Scalp Therapy formula have been proven to inhibit the 5-ar enzyme that is responsible for the formation of DHT. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is what causes your hair loss. When a man begins to lose his hair, certain genetically programmed follicles begin to develop DHT receptor sites. The DHT attaches itself to these sites and begins to treat the follicle as a foreign object in the body. This chemical change not only affects hair. It can also cause itching, inflammation, and oiliness. During this time, the follicle, under the attack of DHT, begins to miniaturize with every growth cycle, until after several years, it simply is too small and short to be seen. When the scalp therapy is used, both the formation of DHT and the ability for DHT to attach to receptor sites in the follicle are inhibited.
    Similarly, there's 17-alpha-estradiol (ell crannel / avicis / avixis) which works by converting test to female hormone at the scalp. And so there's less test to convert to DHT by the action of 5AR. This is a bit more expensive, and harder to find. Also, I'm curious as to what would happen if you put it on your nipples? Insta-gyno? Lol, don't want to try.

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    In a controlled, randomized double-blind study, 51 patients with androgenetic alopecia and increased hair loss (telogen rate greater than 20%) were treated by local application of hair lotions with and without 17 alpha-estradiol (0.025%) for a period of at least 6 months. Before and after therapy trichograms were taken and evaluated under standardized conditions. In 63% of the treated patients a reduction of the amount of telogen hairs appeared, whereas in the control group the same reduction was found in only 37% of the cases. Similarly, in the treated group only 11% of the patients worsened, in contrast to 50% of the control group who showed an increased telogen rate (greater than 10%). The amount of growing anagen hairs and of seborrhea did not change significantly in both groups. Side effects were not seen. These findings indicate that hair lotions containing 17 alpha-estradiol may have a therapeutic value in reducing androgenetic hair loss, if applied topically for a long period of time, similar to 17 beta-estradiol. However, no regrowth of new hair was found.
    Some things like Ketoconazole, or nizaral shampoo, which just stops inflammation of the cells, and disregards the dht attacking it.
    And finally, Rogaine Foam (Minoxidil), which stimulates new growth of hair. I read something about it possibly making things worse though, because it encourages more circulation of blood to the scalp, which can bring in more DHT to the cells.

    Thoughts? Accepting it and shaving, should the time come, is not an option! Fighting this to the grave.

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    to be honest, if you continue cycling you'll continue to get thinner on top. ive got the classic horse shoe thinning atm and most annoyingly a 3" long and 1" wide thin strip right in the middle going from my fringe back, i can hide it by spiking up my hair though.

    im not the happiest about my hair going but im on trt so i'd guess it'll gradually get worse. i researched up and down and cant see anything full proof and alot of treatments are quite expensive and 'might' produce effects after quite a long period. it'll be the clippers for me if a get much lighter

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    First off, it'll probably get worse overtime, especially if you do nothing. I know you mentioned you weren't thinking pills but I found what worked the best was a combination of rogaine and propecia. Propecia is 1mg of finasteride, Proscar is 5mg finasteride and is used for enlarged prostates. Get your doc to write for the 5mg and invest in a pill cutter and 1/2 or 1/4 the pill. Insurance will likely not cover propecia (still on patent I believe) because it is considered cosmetic. It will cover proscar though which is also available as a generic. Also if you have shorter hair you can use the liquid generic minoxidil from Sam's Club or Costco if you shop there and it will work just as well and is cheaper than the foam. The liquid will matte down longer hair though.

    I got minimal to no growth with the combo but it seems to have stopped or greatly slowed the loss. I had used just rogaine in the past and that didn't seem to do much alone. I did have some mild side effects from finasteride for about a week or so but they faded as my natural hormones leveled out. Testosterone will increase in response to the decrease in DHT, I think this compensation helped with the side effects and explains the timing of them. Never had any ED, for what it's worth.

    IMHO, the combo is probably the best thing you can do to keep what you got.

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    Just some random chick insight for you...

    Most girls know that bald or balding = high testosterone in a man.
    Most girls know that high testosterone = high sex drive
    Most girls know that high sex drive = spontaneous and frequent sex
    Most girls know that spontaneous and frequent sex = Attachment 117543 Attachment 117544

    Sooooo get to anxious or stressed about it ~ not such a horrible thing

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    balding is actually more related to DHT if I believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by l2elapse View Post
    balding is actually more related to DHT if I believe
    yes, sorry I was quoting what us girls think/say.

    You’re defiantly rite it is DHT....BUT... DHT is an androgen or male sex hormone, and the common lady relates testosterone to guys sexual stuff lol.
    I will try to remember to more clear

    So to rephrase...don’t sweat the hair loss. The average lady thinks that a guy with hair loss will be a horney devil with her, and secretly we all dig that.

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    By the way for you guys worrying about a receding hairline. I recently saw a double blind study where a group of college aged soccer players used Creatine or a placebo in a double blind study. The good news was that the creatine seemed to work well for most the bad news was that it increased DHT conversion in almost all who recieved it.

    Thank God I did not use my insurance to go on TRT legally but rather self medicated. Now after another few years of blasting with Test/Deca/Tren at a couple of grams a week when I am completely bald I will simply say that its all the result of the Creatine Monohydrate and sue for a million saying it destroyed my career as a table dancer and male escort....OK since the suit will be based entirely on lost earnings maybe I will settle for a couple of hundred :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Far from massive View Post
    By the way for you guys worrying about a receding hairline. I recently saw a double blind study where a group of college aged soccer players used Creatine or a placebo in a double blind study. The good news was that the creatine seemed to work well for most the bad news was that it increased DHT conversion in almost all who recieved it.

    Thank God I did not use my insurance to go on TRT legally but rather self medicated. Now after another few years of blasting with Test/Deca/Tren at a couple of grams a week when I am completely bald I will simply say that its all the result of the Creatine Monohydrate and sue for a million saying it destroyed my career as a table dancer and male escort....OK since the suit will be based entirely on lost earnings maybe I will settle for a couple of hundred :-)
    lmao

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    to quote Charles Barkley,"Come on home, the wars over, come on home. Just shave it".

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    Look at the movie kingpin.. Just comb it over it will look great!

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    There are natural DHT inhibitors like beta sitosterol and saw palmetto. Acne is DHT related and both these most definitely helped. Saw palmetto worked great but it messed with my stomach too much.

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    I second Sc0rch's reply - there are only two FDA approved - minoxidil and propecia, and even those aren't 100% obviously. Google some DHT related blockers such as vitamins. Until then just take a deep breath, and keep it while you can if you want. You may want to take a bold move and not shave it since you still want to fight, just take the clippers and do a good trim, like a number two or three for example. I'm telling you, you'd be amazed how better the short look is than the scraggly hairs hanging on for the last crusade. Minoxidil doesn't exactly make things worse, what it mainly does is stop to slow the hair loss, but if you stop taking it, the hair loss speeds up to the point of where it would be if you hadn't been taking it at all. This is the reason lots of people think it's no good, and claim it actually makes them lose hair faster and what not. Everyone is different, and reacts differently to everything. I would recommend googling DHT vitamin blockers, and trimming the mane. Plenty of us out there have had to do it. I love my hair too it's curly, alas I don't have much time left. Vitamins have slowed the process and helped for me. Maybe the whole stem cell research will pay off, but who knows when and how much $. Sorry for venting, but I feel better.

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    Once I started to loose it I looked into ways to save my hair. Eventually said screw it and shaved it off. I could not see the reasoning behind spending all kinds of money on products when I could sped $10 on a pair of clippers from Wal-Mart and be done with it.

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    Propecia 1 mg daily and minoxidil. You can buy finasteride 5 gm generic which is cheaper, and take just a quarter pill daily. ED and decreased semen production with Propecia are uncommon in my experience prescribing it. There is a laser treatment, but I haven't got any experience with it.

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    I have been using Nioxin for 8 years now it has been very good, i still have a small bald spot on the scalp, i don't have money to spend on finastiride or propecia and minoxidil they work wonders so if you have the money.

    Still a hair transplant is best

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    Perfect Image Solutions 15% minoxidil enhanced with 5% Azelaic Acid - ebay

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