My first cycle, sustanon 250

[galup]

Hi, as I said in my first post i'm 28 yo and just started bodybuilding 1 month ago. Main reason was simple, I got way to fat due to my shifts and it's time I get my body back on track.
Stats:
height: 5'5 feet
weight: 170 pounds
bf: around 24%(fat as hell)

Workout routines:
monday: chest 25 sets, 12 reps/set + shoulders 25 sets, 12 reps/set
tuesday: upper legs 25 sets, 12 reps/set upper + lower legs 25 sets, 12 reps/set
wednesday: back 25 sets, 12 reps/set + traps 18-20 sets, 12 reps/set
thursday: biceps 25 sets, 12 reps/set + triceps 25 sets, 12 reps/set
friday: all groups, 6-8 sets/group, 12 reps/set
abs each day as many as I can
weekend: nothing
I take BSN NO explode and BSN syntha 6
In the first month I managed to shed 17 pounds and I am determined to kill another 30 pounds by xmass.

And now for the actual cycle.
Going to start on sustanon 250, my first injection will be sunday and I intend to do a 6 weeks cycle with 1 ampule(1 ml)/week in the first 2 weeks, 3'rd week 2 ampules and then 1 ampule/week in the last 3.
My first question would be how do I get that sust to not kill my ass so that I can walk and function in normal parameters because I really do not want to explain to my wife that I can bearly walk for a week because i'm injecting steroids. She is kinda scared for my life as I had a few to many close calls and the last thing I want is her knowing/worrying that I am on theroids.
Second question would be if it's okay to mix susta 250 with cipralex(it's a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor that people usually take for depression but my doc prescribed it for me to keep my anger under control as I sometimes "rage" and push back way to much if I am "pushed" just a bit to far).
Thanks and hope I dont bore anyone with my wall of text.

[galup]

Ok so I just took the first shot of 1 ampule and unfortunately I had to do it myself and that sucked a bit since I wanted the first shot to be done by a medic or someone with some medical knowhow.
Did it in my quad, no blood was drawn in the seringe so I guess I did it well. Used a 23G 1 1/4 needle and pushed in almost all the needle.
No pain while doing it and no pain so far and it's been about 25 minutes since I did it.
Going to the gym in a few mins to work the abs since I decided to double the time I spend in the gym that way I can work chest, shoulders, biceps, triceps, traps in the morning and do abs in the afternoon.
Well it's been 3 hours + - and all is ok, no pain no nothing. Just a stupid "i'm happy feeling".

[busch1606]

It will be at least a week to two weeks to even feel it. Sustonon is real slow but that good cuz it stays in so long too.
You'll notice better workouts and faster recovery rates first. You'll also get a great pump and full feel to your muscles.
Diet and sleep (recovery) is just as important
The juice doesn't do all the work it just helps you do the work.

[coopy]

can i ask where i can get sust

[boxa06]

can i ask where i can get sust

In your local supermarket

[auslifta]

Soooo much wrong with this.
You have only been working out a month???? 24% BF?????? This is not going to go well for you.

My advice would be to stop anymore injections. Go and learn how to eat, Drop BF% to under 12%, workout for another 4 years. Then maybe think about aas.

[galup]

Soooo much wrong with this.
My advice would be to stop anymore injections. Go and learn how to eat, Drop BF% to under 12%, workout for another 4 years. Then maybe think about aas.

Well I know it's not the best way to go but my main goal is to kick some fat in the ass and get a bit more muscle.
I dont intend to grow a lot or become a pro.
The reason I decided to go with susta is to give my body some help, 250/week is a really low dose but high nuff to be more than my body can produce. 4 years is a lot of time spent on lifting and tho I do not intend to stop going to the gym after I get my results I kinda prefer the short way to muscle and then keep working rather than the long way of working for years and years and shooting after.
But still I would like to know why you think doing susta so fast is a bad idea since I did come to this forum to learn.
My diet is as good as it gets, 300g of protein and 100g of carbs + omega 3 and 6, dont really know what else can be done about it but again if anyone has some ideas I would be glad to hear them.

[auslifta]

If your diet was as good as it gets then why are you over 24% bf??? I love reading these so called "really good diets" only to find its absolute dogshite. Even if it was good, how long can you keep it up for?? You don't have the discipline, obviously. Without proper training history, your muscles will out grow in size and strength compared to yout tendons, which will result in injury. Your nervous system will be not even close to prepared, which will make gaining muscles post cycle really hard. Lets face it, alot of people get gym membership and convince themselves they are in for the long haul, only to find themselves back on the lounge playing video games. You cant wait and diet to prepare for a cycle, this shows me it is a total waste of time.

[auslifta]

Even your cycle is ill prepared and flawed, why are you pyramiding?. What postcycle meds do you have? That workout regime is terrible as well.

[galup]

Well the regime I got from Milos Sarcev's videos that is posted on this forum and I am on a diet of 300g protein and 100 grams carbs. I'm 24% bf because I just started a month and a bit ago. Used to be more than 24% unfortunetly. And used to eat whatever whenever I wanted to.
I can keep this diet forever as it's basicly +-1 kg of meat(chicken breast, fish, low fat pork, etc)/day + the carbs that I get from bread and other stuff I munch on. The rest of what I eat is cabbage, lettuce, broccoli, zucchini, carrots, squash, spinach, green, yellow and red peppers, mushrooms. So basicly I can keep it on forever since this diet is not really that bad... I actually enjoy it more than I did enjoy all the crap I used to eat.
How can it be a bad diet since I lost 17 pounds in 1 month?
My postcycle remedy are nolva and clom and another thing called branca ursului that is really only known in my country but does a very good job at what I need.
Dont get me wrong I'm not saying you are wrong but I do like to debate what people tell me to do or not do and usually I like to get a clear explanation rather than a "dont or do that."
So what do you think of my diet now that I posted it more clear? Same question for my post cycle recovery.
And thank you for taking the time to reply.

[auslifta]

You're a beginner so Milos regime will not suit you. Too many reps, Bi's day after back, abs every day-these are just the start of whats wrong. You should be sticking to compound movements (multi joint movements) ed Squats, deadlifts, bench press and military presses. You should also be keeping working sets per movement to about 3. Your routine should be changed every 3-5 months to constantly shock the body into growth.
You need to lay out your diet in all meals, times, amounts and macros for a better analysis. Diet will also be needing adjustments as your composition changes.
I'm not going to advise on PCT at the moment as I don't think you should be cycling. Alot is missing from this beginner cycle.
I am trying to help you, I really am. I have had a long time in this game and you should take on board alot of advice that is given. If you are not going to take my advice, goodluck. You're going to need it.

[galup]

I know you have no evil intentions and that is why I still asked for your thoughts.
My meals are divided into 8/day and each meal is thought in such a way that by the end of the day I have around 300g g of protein in me and 100g of carbs. Meal 1(at 7:10) is 1 loaf of bread + 1 boiled egg(only the white) and around 50g of protein from chicken breast(either boiled or grilled) + my BSN NO explode. At around 8:00 I hit the gym and do my workout that lasts around 2-3 hours depending on what I'm working on. 9-9:30 I eat a bit of glucose(around 50g of carbs) and continue the workout.
Around 11 I take a protein shake and another 50 grams of protein from meat(either fish or chicken). I take the rest of the meals is such a way that by 22:00 I have the 300g protein and 100 g carbs but the carbs go in no later than 12 o'clock.
Betwen meals I either eat the veggies mentioned above or I mix them with the meals to get a better tasting meal.
For vitamins and minerals I take effervescent pills, used to take Animal pak but it messed to much with my digestion.
I also take 4 pills of shark cartilage just to be on the safe side.
I will change the wourkout routine and the exercises themselves every 3 months if you say it's a good thing to do.
I also do the squats, deadlifts, bench press and military presses as part of the routines. Unfortunetly I can only put so much stress on my lower backbone as it was injured pretty bad a few years ago. I do wear a leather gym belt but even so I still cant mess with my backbone to much.
The abs everyday yeah, bad idea jeans... I decided to do them monday, wednesday and friday as for the "roid rage" there are no sings of it yet even with my "angry past".
Most people said the same as you did, no cycle yet but... I cant help myself, since I took the first shot on tuesday I feel like a god, I feel more motivated, I can lift better and more and have a general state of "man I feel good" (probably it's all in my head but...).
So any advice on PCT would be more than welcomed.
Thanks again.

[auslifta]

I'm going to head off, but one thing that stands out 2-3hour weight sessions?????? Should be more like 45mins, hour tops! Also 1 loaf of bread has more than 50g carbs. That diet doesnt add up properly. Poorly written out too. Head to the nutritional section.
My advice stands, stop cycle immediately before you have to do a PCT.

[galup]

Yeah 2-3 hours, feels good and it's the only way to finish all the sets. I really enjoy doing it even if it takes all that time, to be honest I bearly realise it's been 3 hours. 1 loaf of white bread has about 12g of carbs in it, talking about a normal size loaf not a slice made for hulk.
I'm still a bit confused, with this diet and the training I lost 17 pounds in 1 month, that's almost 8 Kg, around 2 kg/week, why do you say it's a bad diet?
I know you stand by what you said but I am determined to finish the cycle. So if you really dont want to advice on PCT it's ok, I get it, maybe someome else will and if nobody will I'll just read the whole internet till I find a good answer
P.S It's not that I do not trust or accept the advice I am given but once I decide to do something I do it even if the gods tell me not to. That is why I am so determined to finish the cycle.

[auslifta]

A loaf of bread has about 350g of carbs. Poor choice of carbs too. And you plan to get half your carbs from sugar-terrible idea, although I didn't expect any different from you. I only counted 140g of protein too.
If you're set in your ways and won't listen, I wont give anymore advice, i'm wasting my time. Goodluck with ripped tendons, gyno, shrunken balls, anger issues and motivation once you finish your cycle. I'd love to see pics of you in 6 months. Typical fad gym junkie that gives AAS a bad name.
Don't bother responding to me, I'm out.

[galup]

Jesus man take it easy, it's not a let's see who gets angry competition. A loaf of bread is a generic term, my loaf does not have 350g in itself, how can it have 350g of carbs? It's the size of a walnut. I dont get it first someone makes a sticky with some dude that gives advice on how to eat properly, everyone cheers it and then I get hit in the face for using the advice?
How can you count only 140g of protein? I just said I take 8 meals and each contains around 50g of protein, meaning around 400g at the end of the day.
Why would I give AAS a bad name dude? What do you think that if it goes bad I am going to tell everyone I know that I took roids and failed at it? Dude I'm not 14 yo.
There is really no need to be rude. Instead of wishing me good luck with tits and small balls you could take the same time and help on a good PCT. Not needed anymore really as I found my answers here and on 2 other sites.
I really dont get it, is it your opinion that only already massive guys with years of training can benefit from roids? I dont intend to compete mate, just to get back into shape fast.
And I do feel the need to respond as I feel bad that I managed to piss you of that bad just because I want to do a cycle and a lot of training.

[redz]

Terrible cycle altogether and at 24% you have a high risk of getting serious side effects.

She is kinda scared for my life as I had a few to many close calls and the last thing I want is her knowing/worrying that I am on theroids.

Do you have health problems?

[galup]

I keep hearing this about terrible cycle but besides the tendons and what you just said about side effects nobody actually told me why. The BF will be gone by the end of the cycle if not faster.But I really would want to know why it's such a bad cycle, is it the susta?
Not sick at all redz, just have a bad habbit of getting into situations most would call "life threatening", dangerous or just stupid, IMO it's all about how you see things. I find it funny really, fcourse she does not...

[redz]

Sustanon is not meant to be ran the way you are planning, the longer esters in the compound will barely kick in through such a short cycle. Pyramiding doses will only further increase the fluctuation of hormone levels causing more side effects. Sustanon also contains very short esters which need to be injected at the bare minimum twice per week though eod would be optimal. You are at a far higher risk of developing gyno with such high bf and also your heart will be under more stress too. Also if you don't fully understand pct and plan for it then you will likely end up messing up your hormone levels which could cause you to gain fat and lose muscle and even possibly become depressed.

[galup]

Well I was going to take nolva 20mg/day on the cycle and take clomid and nolva after.
Perhaps I should change to winstrol then?

[xo3et]

Dude ive just read through this and i do agree with Auslifa. IF you had researched then you would have run Test E as it requires less injections. Your BF% is way way too high... You will most likely get side effects from your cycle, which is very bad choice.

Who has given you this advice to run the cycle and train in such a way?

You really should stop using AAS and learn how to eat and train and have a healthy lifestyle. To me your all whats wrong with AAS, purely as you will have problems and will pass on your bad knowledge and experiences to somebody else.

If you do continue, which is pretty obvious by all the advice your ignoring then I would sort the cycle properly. Inject EOD and keep a very very close look on yourself to catch any sides early and act upon them.

[galup]

Thanks xo, the advice on the cycle came from nobody, and the training came from a guy who I train with and the dude is the size of a tank, basicly I do his workout but with less weight. As for passing pad knowledge have not a worry, it's stuff I keep for myself.
I'll shoot EOD and take nolva 20mg/day, that should sort out the tits problems I belive.

[WorldsGym]

you should have researched more.

[denverpride]

I'll shoot EOD and take nolva 20mg/day, that should sort out the tits problems I belive.

You seem to know it all with some of your statements so why are you still asking questions? You dug your own grave by saying you are doing aas while being 24% bf. Not smart. No one here will support that. Go look at some logs and see that people will train for years to get under 15% just to begin to think about starting aas.

[galup]

Actually it's going really well. Since my last post (15.11.2011) I lost about 9-10 pounds, feeling like god(better actually), I can bench(chest) 240 pounds(2 months ago could bearly push half that) and tho 240 aint that much it's still something for me , balls are the same size, no tits, not feeling depressed at all, on the contrary, I feel next to perfect.
As for working for years to get under 15%? Wha? I can film myself going to under 15% in 3 months tops. That's the beauty of my 3 hours/day training sessions, I dont need ages to get fit.

[xo3et]

Hi there,

Have you been taking before and after photos?

There is NO easy way or shortcut, only time will tell what comes from your experiences. I will say though that i have seen many people take your approach and come off worse.

I will not flame you as you have take your decision which is yours alone. I will ask that you share some photos and as much information you can so that others can see the outcome, of which i hope is a good one.

[galup]

I have a photo taken just the day before I made my gym membership. Will take another at the end of this month and another in the last day of de***ber. Will post them all together in 01.01.2012.
As for information there is not really much to add to what I said already, a few minor changes:

Instead of 25 sets/12 reps I now do 35 sets/12 reps so basicly the workout sounds like this:
monday: chest 35 sets, 12 reps/set + shoulders 35 sets, 12 reps/set
tuesday: upper legs 35 sets, 12 reps/set upper + lower legs 35 sets, 12 reps/set
wednesday: back 35 sets, 12 reps/set + traps 25-30 sets, 12 reps/set
thursday: biceps 35 sets, 12 reps/set + triceps 35 sets, 12 reps/set
friday: all groups, 8-10 sets/group, 12 reps/set
And basicly I divide the 35 sets into 5 sets/7 types of exercises IE: chest: 5 sets barbell bench press + 5 sets dumbell bench press + 5 sets dumbell fly etc till I have 7 types of exercises with 5 sets each. Same for the rest of the muscle groups.

Changed the diet from 300g protein + 100g carbs to 200-250g protein and around 60g carbs and monday I will change it again depending on how I feel. And I always have a 1 day/week when I eat whatever the heck I want(without stuffing my face).
Started taking clen + L carnitine(some really concentrated stuff to) and I always wear long pants, t-shirt and a hoodie over, think my temperature is way above 102 F during the workout and I sweat like a pig in an oven, pulse is usually around 160 durind training. Feels good tho.
Also now taking 2 cups of BSN NO explode instead of one and 40 mins after taking it I feel like I've injected a litre of coffee directly into my heart.

Decided that susta 250 EoD is a tad to much for what I need it to do for me(get a power boost and maybe help with the muscle recovery) so I shoot twice/week. And it seems to do the job(along with the workout), my triceps is rock hard and has a pretty nice look to it, same for the biceps and forearm, chest is looking nice to tho still have some fat to burn of it, back looks really nice(dont expect hulk in 2 months at the gym), and my legs... think I should stop working them to much as they are obscenely big(I always had huge muscles on my legs both upper and lower legs).

The way I'm going I have a feeling my body will shut down by xmass but I dont give a crap as long as I get below 16% BF so I can get a decent cycle going next year. Thinking Tren, HgH and something else, not sure what yet.

denverpride no I dont know it all and if you actually read what I wrote you'd maybe get it.
And boxa06 is right, they actually do sell susta 250 at the supermarket but unfortunetly you need a prescription .

About that from the fat gym junkie that gives AAS a bad name.

P.S in 2 months I killed 27 pounds of ugly fat so there must be something I am doing right.

[galup]

My "guns" are now 15 inches from 14.5 and this considering I am on a diet and my BF is going down each week. Shoulders and traps are looking pretty good same for the back and chest. Nothing to complain about on the legs either.
Dropped 4 holes on my belt, no acnee, balls are the same size, nothing bad to report except pain in the injection sites and a bit of a lump where I injected more than 2 times and am feeling horny as hell all the time.

[galup]

Finally there is no more pain post injection. Glad this day came.
Not much to report, fat going down, power going up, not much on the gain side since last post but then again it's only been 6 days.
No sides yet, xept for the lumps that are still there(by the time they go away i have to inject again so...).

[StrongMan24]

Dude I just read every post and must say... u r an idiot... I completely disagree with your choice to take something without at least a past history of lifting (if u had lifted hard for years and stopped thats one thing) and then 8 months of current lifting or so before u take something.... but u have no base to work with, u r gonna lose ur results quick I bet...

[vBRAH]

Soooo much wrong with this.
You have only been working out a month???? 24% BF?????? This is not going to go well for you.

My advice would be to stop anymore injections. Go and learn how to eat, Drop BF% to under 12%, workout for another 4 years. Then maybe think about aas.

As well as only running it for 6 weeks, x2 on wtf .. I don't see this cycle ending well. What did you have planned for PCT?

[MacLean]

This is only going to end badly. Take auslifta's advice and leave your ego at your computer

[acidking]

you remind me of those kids who wouldn't go to the gym unless their on a steroid cycle ... look at the facts, you started working out at 28, and immediately started taking steroids ... you're getting up on the wrong foot here.