First cycle - Primobolan and Stanozolol - not seeing results - any suggestions?

[Gray Wolf]

I'm 22 years old, 5'8, 180 pounds. Been lifting for six years. My body type is muscular for my weight, but there's still some fat present mainly in the belly area and legs, but not a lot. I've lost a lot of fat before I started this cycle. My back is pretty clean but I want to get ripped and hard. My genetics are a little messed up since my mom's family is fat, and I was a fat kid.

First Cycle ever: Primo - Stano
My instructor gave me these guidelines:
1w: 100mg Stano / 200mg Primo
2w: 150mg Stano / 200mg Primo
3w: 150mg Stano / 300mg primo
4w: 100mg Stano / 300mg Primo
5w: No Stano / 200mg Primo
6w: no stano / 200mg Primo

I talked to him and he told me I could use more if I wanted to, so he modified this way:
1w: 100mg Stano / 200mg Primo
2w: 225mg Stano / 300mg Primo
3w: 225mg Stano / 400mg primo
4w: 225mg Stano / 400mg Primo
5w: 200mg Stano / 300mg Primo
6w: no stano / 300mg Primo


I'm finishing up 3w but I'm not seeing results for this cutting cycle. This is my first time using steroids and I thought results were going to be noticeable. I might be losing some fat, but not as the reviews for cutting cycles. No vascularity is noticeable and still fat covering my muscles..

Daily, I eat this:

5 egg white - 1 whole egg
2 turkey 50% less fat sausages
2 turkey ham 97% fat free
2 - 2% cheese slice (as the ones for sandwiches)

cooked white rice = about 100grams (not even a cup of cooked rice)
1-2 chicken breasts

2 apples
2 plums
1 banana
Peanut butter (1/2 cup)
fat free yogurt (1/2 cup)

2-3 tuna cans
50 grams of protein powder

plus: supplements as post workout creatine and pre workout oxides, and vitamins

Any suggestions? I'm not cutting!! I don't know what I'm doing wrong!

Other question: Should I add some testo or other steroid to grow my muscles? or is it too late for the short cycle I'm doing? I first wanted to cut fat, but I get nervous and anxious, and now I don't care if I get big, or ripped, i just want to be able to see muscles without any problem.

THANKS A LOT!

[Doctapeppa]

If you're not losing fat you are eating too many calories it's as simple as that. The steroids (which you probably have no business being on, anyways) have very little do do with it.

Who in the world told you it was a good idea to do a primo/stano cycle for your first cycle ever and on a cut?

[The Bear 79]

Ur cycle is inexperienced, un-knowledgeable, dangerous, garbage, ur diet is rong 4 ur goals, & u should not b using steroids @ 22, there is significant risk of doin potentially irreversible damage 2 ur Endocrine / HPTA @ that age.

[Gray Wolf]

Well, from what I've read, this is a beginner cycle for basic 'cutting'. I would have some weight gain but it would be lean muscle, as well as fat losses. That's the only reason why I started. I read a lot about primo and winny together, and all reviews say that it is for toning, shaping, definition, and hardening. I tried to protect myself with legalon before I started.

I do not know much about steroids, my trainer recommended this, and I read a lot before it and it seemed safe and good.

What should I do then? Stop the cycle? Remove something from it? Modify my diet for less calories? or more protein or more carbs? or less carbs less protein?
Please help me out!

[10nispro]

I don't think you read that on here or someone on this site suggested that cycle.

Please stop that cycle do a short pct and hope your endocrine system is ok. Your trainer is an idiot BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he or his bud supplied you with the gear.

start doing research on here and read the stickies. Look below your post and there is a thread started by dec11. Read it

[The Bear 79]

I would stop & PCT b4 u do any damage (if u havnt already) Get blood work done (full panel) in about 30 -45 days. If u post ur diet & goals in the diet section, they will hook u up with a kick a$$ regime. BTW, where did u read Primo. & Winny was a good beginner cycle?

[Doctapeppa]

You realize that half a cup of peanut butter is like 800 calories by itself? Not a good idea for a cut. Go to the diet section there are tons of diets there you can look at.

[Gray Wolf]

Well, thank you very much. I'm starting the PCT today.
What is the problem with those 2 anabolic steroids? how can they mess up my liver so bad? I'm nervous. I'm doing a blood test on Wednesday or Thursday, and I will do another one in a month. I'm seeing my medic pretty soon.

[gixxerboy1]

I don't think you read that on here or someone on this site suggested that cycle.

Please stop that cycle do a short pct and hope your endocrine system is ok. Your trainer is an idiot BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he or his bud supplied you with the gear.

start doing research on here and read the stickies. Look below your post and there is a thread started by dec11. Read it

I agree.
Winny is a 17aa steriod so its tougher on the liver.
Those doasges he gave you are useless.
I dont know how you were doing the winny. but the half life is short so should be done ed or eod the min.

[The Situation]

Horrible first cycle. I start mine today. My plan is 12 weeks of test e at 480 mgs a week. Pct 2 weeks after last pin. My pct is nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100 /50 /50 /50. I suggest you make sure that your pct is good to go. After you finish pct get away from the stuff for 4 years eat train and study. Your diet sucks btw

[gixxerboy1]

You realize that half a cup of peanut butter is like 800 calories by itself? Not a good idea for a cut. Go to the diet section there are tons of diets there you can look at.

and all that fruit has a ton of sugar

[Kawigirl]

Your 22 and already using....??

[Gray Wolf]

I agree.
Winny is a 17aa steriod so its tougher on the liver.
Those doasges he gave you are useless.
I dont know how you were doing the winny. but the half life is short so should be done ed or eod the min.

I was using 75 mgs eod of winny, and primo on monday and thursday.

Alright, I understand everything was bad on this cycle: dosages useless, diets sucks, cycle dangerous, inexperienced user, too young, etc etc.
Now, I want to understand and learn from this. What was wrong about winny and primo together? I see that some users get winny 50-100mg each day. Isn't that affecting the liver? Does primo have something else that will affect the liver too?
I'm worried about the liver and how it could affect me and how bad it was.

I will be getting the PCT products in a couple of days because they are not that easy to find. Would legalon work good to treat my liver?
For those spanish speakers, I will attach the info I was given for this cycle, and why I thought it was safe.

So WHY is it that dangerous? I want to know WHY, because I already understand that it was bad. (age? dosages? the combination?)

Thanks!

[Gray Wolf]

Attached is the info in a word doc.Ciclo - Stano_Primo.doc

[gixxerboy1]

I wouldnt have said the cycle is dangerous in itself. More just your age and the fact you are shutting down you htpa for nothing.

Winny can be tough on the liver and cholesterol.
Primo isnt dangerous. You were using to low of a dose for it to be effective. and 6 weeks it 2 short
You probably would have gotten some sides from no test.
There is no reason to pyramid the dosages of drugs taken

[chuckt12345]

I was using 75 mgs eod of winny, and primo on monday and thursday.

Alright, I understand everything was bad on this cycle: dosages useless, diets sucks, cycle dangerous, inexperienced user, too young, etc etc.
Now, I want to understand and learn from this. What was wrong about winny and primo together? I see that some users get winny 50-100mg each day. Isn't that affecting the liver? Does primo have something else that will affect the liver too?
I'm worried about the liver and how it could affect me and how bad it was.

I will be getting the PCT products in a couple of days because they are not that easy to find. Would legalon work good to treat my liver?
For those spanish speakers, I will attach the info I was given for this cycle, and why I thought it was safe.

So WHY is it that dangerous? I want to know WHY, because I already understand that it was bad. (age? dosages? the combination?)

Thanks!

i wouldnt exactly say its a terrible cycle but the fact your young, its the first cycle and if your test drops off your gonna feel like shit.

[spiketannin]

lol are you serious you made your name the situation,, you couldnt think of anything else to be called, you seriously had to pick the situation... better be careful mike might sue you he had it patened lol

[spiketannin]

Horrible first cycle. I start mine today. My plan is 12 weeks of test e at 480 mgs a week. Pct 2 weeks after last pin. My pct is nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100 /50 /50 /50. I suggest you make sure that your pct is good to go. After you finish pct get away from the stuff for 4 years eat train and study. Your diet sucks btw

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[lovbyts]

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[AnabolicJ]

totaly worthless cycle which is going to mess your levels up and also your diet is garbage get yourself to the diet section

[dec11]

i wouldnt exactly say its a terrible cycle but the fact your young, its the first cycle and if your test drops off your gonna feel like shit.

did you read it correctly? that amount of primo for that duration wouldnt put muscle on a mouse. 75mgs winnie eod? its a horrible cycle period

[chuckt12345]

did you read it correctly? that amount of primo for that duration wouldnt put muscle on a mouse. 75mgs winnie eod? its a horrible cycle period

not horrible as in it wont really fk his body up to bad. I def didnt make myself clear.

[dec11]

not horrible as in it wont really fk his body up to bad. I def didnt make myself clear.

lol, i was wondering mate