AAS good for ligaments?

[tobetutz]

Are there any AAS that are good for ligaments? I have a friend who had surgery on ligaments and had them reattached and wanted to know if there was such a thing. Thank you in advance

[xelnaga]

More muscle= more stress on ligaments.

[Lemonada8]

Not really... Body weight exercises are best

[Bonaparte]

Hgh would help the most.

[Times Roman]

Hgh would help the most.

This is probably true. There are some that say var is helpful too. I haven't seen the data (not sure it even exists) and this comment might be purely based on anecdotal information.

[tobetutz]

Thank you TR I have heard about the Var as well and you are correct there is no date on this subject. I am on a few other smaller boards and no one can really give a good answer.

[dec11]

tbh not even hgh was effective for my shoulder trouble, although the prob may have been beyond its scope. im not convinced on any of these compound 'repairing' ligament probs.

[Fetch]

I wouldn't think so.. a ligament is a type of dense connective tissue, whereas skeletal muscle tissue is another type of tissue entirely.

[sensaispike]

The problem with ligaments and tendons it that they have a poor blood supply, so once they are injured it takes a long time for your body to repair them. So I believe regardless of what you take, time is the most beneficial thing for tendons and ligaments.

[bass]

This is probably true. There are some that say var is helpful too. I haven't seen the data (not sure it even exists) and this comment might be purely based on anecdotal information.

in my case anavar has cured my tendinitis twice, the first time it was a 6 month old elbow tendinitis thats was getting worse everyday, then took anavar and within 2 weeks it was gone. i am on var again and my right elbow this time and the pain is going away as i started var about 10 days ago or so! too much to be a coincidence! i like to mention i am also on TRT!

[im83931]

Var seems to help some of my joints. I still get pain in my shoulder though. I messed it up a few years ago and its the limiting factor on how much I can do on shoulder days.

[bass]

remember var dries your joints, so its not good on your joints as apposed to deca! but it seems to speed up recovery on tendinitis or any injury for that mater!

[Bonaparte]

remember var dries your joints, so its not good on your joints as apposed to deca! but it seems to speed up recovery on tendinitis or any injury for that mater!

Var does not commonly cause joint dryness.
If it does, it is probably Winstrol being passed off as Var.

[bass]

Var does not commonly cause joint dryness.
If it does, it is probably Winstrol being passed off as Var.

i could be wrong but everything i read about it indicates drying the joints, also from my own experience! for example it cured my tendinitis but my knees started killing me with pain and stiffness, same goes for my shoulders!

[Lemonada8]

remember var dries your joints, so its not good on your joints as apposed to deca! but it seems to speed up recovery on tendinitis or any injury for that mater!

in my case anavar has cured my tendinitis twice, the first time it was a 6 month old elbow tendinitis thats was getting worse everyday, then took anavar and within 2 weeks it was gone. i am on var again and my right elbow this time and the pain is going away as i started var about 10 days ago or so! too much to be a coincidence! i like to mention i am also on TRT !

anavar binds to the AR, which takes the place of test. Then instead of making test your body makes cortisol (not significant difference but enough to tell a difference in tendonitis injuries)
And the same kind of concept with the drying of joints, the conversion ratio of T to DHT, DHT will remain constant so if you are having anavar take the place of test on the AR, DHT will still convert the T into DHT because your body senses the anavar as testosterone.

deca isnt good for injuries either.. yea it may be a rabbit, but its still a mammal and they have very similar systems to us.


The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...39.2010.481007
. Results: Groups that did not receive anabolic steroids showed better healing and more tendon strength in comparison to groups that received anabolic steroids. Microscopic examination of specimens from the groups without the use of anabolic steroid showed extensive fibroblastic activity whereas the specimens from those groups with anabolic steroid use showed focal fibroblastic reaction and inflammation. Immobilization provided better results in the groups with anabolic steroid use but it did not influence healing in groups without steroids. Conclusions: The effect of local nandrolone decanoate use on a rotator cuff tear is detrimental, acting as a healing inhibitor.

[Bonaparte]

deca isnt good for injuries either.. yea it may be a rabbit, but its still a mammal and they have very similar systems to us.


The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...39.2010.481007
. Results: Groups that did not receive anabolic steroids showed better healing and more tendon strength in comparison to groups that received anabolic steroids. Microscopic examination of specimens from the groups without the use of anabolic steroid showed extensive fibroblastic activity whereas the specimens from those groups with anabolic steroid use showed focal fibroblastic reaction and inflammation. Immobilization provided better results in the groups with anabolic steroid use but it did not influence healing in groups without steroids. Conclusions: The effect of local nandrolone decanoate use on a rotator cuff tear is detrimental, acting as a healing inhibitor.

Wait, jamming a huge needle into an injured muscle isn't good for it?

[Lemonada8]

^^ well prolly not, but the rotator cuff has a capsule around it which the nandrolone was injected into, i assume they didnt go into great detail on how they injected it, and the fact that it would have gone systemic anyways and it suppressed their hormones which has an impact on healing and such... But if deca did have that 'healing' ability it would have shown here or at least not been a significant difference in healing rates. And injection holes heal up quickly regardless, its not a complete bisection of the muscle more of a spreading of the tissue/making a small whole but the muscle is still intact.

[Times Roman]

remember var dries your joints, so its not good on your joints as apposed to deca! but it seems to speed up recovery on tendinitis or any injury for that mater!

In my limited experience, i have not seen/heard this to be true. I have problematic joints, and therefore, ran into trouble with winnie and ended up throwing several grams away. Var I have not had any issues with.

[bass]

In my limited experience, i have not seen/heard this to be true. I have problematic joints, and therefore, ran into trouble with winnie and ended up throwing several grams away. Var I have not had any issues with.

generally speaking, not everyone will experience the same thing and it depends on the injury. the pain we usually get from var is like a bone to bone kind of pain, as if your cartilage has dried out, of course not implying thats what happens, it just feel like that. however if you have a torn tendon or muscle var will speed up recovery, giving that you don't do any lifting! this was explained to me by my clinic coordinator. deca of course does the opposite, thats why they don't recommend taking deca and var the same time.

[bass]

anavar binds to the AR, which takes the place of test. Then instead of making test your body makes cortisol (not significant difference but enough to tell a difference in tendonitis injuries)
And the same kind of concept with the drying of joints, the conversion ratio of T to DHT, DHT will remain constant so if you are having anavar take the place of test on the AR, DHT will still convert the T into DHT because your body senses the anavar as testosterone.

deca isnt good for injuries either.. yea it may be a rabbit, but its still a mammal and they have very similar systems to us.


The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...39.2010.481007
. Results: Groups that did not receive anabolic steroids showed better healing and more tendon strength in comparison to groups that received anabolic steroids. Microscopic examination of specimens from the groups without the use of anabolic steroid showed extensive fibroblastic activity whereas the specimens from those groups with anabolic steroid use showed focal fibroblastic reaction and inflammation. Immobilization provided better results in the groups with anabolic steroid use but it did not influence healing in groups without steroids. Conclusions: The effect of local nandrolone decanoate use on a rotator cuff tear is detrimental, acting as a healing inhibitor.

thanks for the post Lemonada, i'll do some more reading on this!

[PrairieDawg]

I don't think AAS helps your ligaments. On deca my ligaments are feeling better but that's just the water that the deca adds. Once I come off and drop that water, they will be back to where they were I'm sure. The best thing for your ligaments, and you'll all think I'm crazy, is physiotherapy. I was to the point with my tennis elbow where I couldn't pick up heavier tools on my work bench without howling in pain. I seen a physiotherapist ONCE. She gave me some lightweight exercises to do every day, and in less than 2 months my tennis elbow was gone. BUT, if you don't keep it up regularly, and keep strengthening those ligaments, it'll come back eventually. If you let it get too bad, you can get to the point where you tear your ligament, then you're screwed. Cortisol shots were suggested by my doctor but they only last 3 months, you can only do it 3 times, and each time you do it, it weakens that ligament. I turned down that suggestion without blinking.