Is this too soon to experiment this ?

[yannick35]

Last time i weight lifted before injury i was 5 feet 10 inches and around 210 pounds, my bench press was 220 pounds. I was 28 years old

At 39 now last time i trained last summer before getting theses huge muscle spasm pains i was able to bench press less then 100 pounds and lat pulldown 70 pounds. My bodyweight at that time was 217 pounds

Now after my fifth week on TRT at a dosage of 200MG per week i started training again and gained some weight i am now around 235 pounds but my gut stayed the same size around 40 inches.

I was able to bench press 140 pounds without too much problem, and i was able to lat pulldown 100 pounds for 8 good reps.

Now if i look at GDEVINE post how much time to get results from TRT i am a bit far from my 3 months to get strenght increase?

But i did experience the initial weight gain, i was around 220 i guess when i started TRT and now after 5 weeks i am 235 give or take 5 pounds.

Side effect wise i also have some acne but nothing major. I also feel that most of the carbs i eat go into the muscles instead of the fat, and my body is slowly changing, i look a lot more muscular?

Not sure if this is because if the dosage i was given 200mg per week ?

My diet is top notch too but i do not eat more then i did before, i layed off the low carb diet and re introduced veggies and fruits in my diet, like frozen berries, fusion V8 post workout.

[flatscat]

Very suspect you gained 15 lbs of muscle mass in 5 weeks. Some water, maybe a little lean mass, and some fat - were you trying to gain weight???? That is a lot - especially if you started out with a 40 inch waist bro. If your diet is spot on and you are training fairly hard you should have seen a decrease in weight - at least a little by now - unless you are eating too much.

As far as strength training goes - take it really slow - especially around the 5-10 week time - when most folks start to see some strength gains - you don't want to stress tendons/ligaments by lifting too heavy - increase max's slowly.

[Times Roman]

It is difficult for me to gain true lbm (what doesn't go away after a cycle). So for a trt dose, the gain seems suspect. it probably, as flatscat said, was water weight, bloat, and some muscle/fat.

Again, as Flatscat said, you need to take it slow. Muscle strength is very responsive to testosterone, ligaments and tendons are not. It is very easy to injure yourself becuase tendon strength lags behind muscle strength. Main reason we do not recommend anyone take test (at cycle doses) until after a couple of years of hard training, which is when the tendons can really keep up with the heavy lifting.

[flatscat]

TR, you don't keep the most of the lbm you gain on a blast/cycle even though you always go back to your trt dose?

[Times Roman]

TR, you don't keep the most of the lbm you gain on a blast/cycle even though you always go back to your trt dose?

unfortunately, my overall lbm improves, but after a blast, most of the weight gain dissapates. Part of the problem is my diet over here. Almost impossible to eat a clean meal. We have a buffet style eating arrangement, and all the meat usually has some friggin curry sauce on it. Yes I like curry, but these boys just fuk it up. Getting complex carbs is next to impossible (i do have rolled oats stocked up though). Everything here is simple carbs. In the beginning, I was eating the salads and raw veggies, until I caught salmonilla (lost alot of weight), which is a sign that the kitchen is not sanitary. So now I don't eat salads or raw veggines. The rice is always white. And the evening meal always sucks. Tonight was meatless spaghetti with sauce, and chicken. no veggies.

So part of my problem is self induced. I do grow on a cycle, and sometimes can pack on almost 10 lbs..... but due to poor diet, most of it goes away.

[yannick35]

thanks for all your feedback guys

the give or take is fluctation, some days i can weight myself and be at 236 then the next day i will be at 230. Is that screwed up.

Before TRT i was accumulating a lot of fat around the waiste, the last diet i did i was eating 1000 cals a day took forever to get down from 231 to 214, this is simply not normal and a serious sign of low T level.

[zaggahamma]

thanks for all your feedback guys

the give or take is fluctation, some days i can weight myself and be at 236 then the next day i will be at 230. Is that screwed up.

Before TRT i was accumulating a lot of fat around the waiste, the last diet i did i was eating 1000 cals a day took forever to get down from 231 to 214, this is simply not normal and a serious sign of low T level.

sounds like water bro...

your almost there bro u got the positive changes and you'll be able to zero in on YOUR sweet spot soon

[flatscat]

thanks for all your feedback guys

the give or take is fluctation, some days i can weight myself and be at 236 then the next day i will be at 230. Is that screwed up.

Before TRT i was accumulating a lot of fat around the waiste, the last diet i did i was eating 1000 cals a day took forever to get down from 231 to 214, this is simply not normal and a serious sign of low T level.

So you ARE wanting to lose bf/weight correct?

[yannick35]

So you ARE wanting to lose bf/weight correct?

I want to get back in shape, and yes for sure tones of BF to lose.

[yannick35]

No i don't think i am on a blast dosage? i have been given this to start TRT with. I am sure that some of it is water weight for sure, at least 10 pounds of it. I really don't look fat maybe a bit more defined.

I am using this workout here that i found on the site, its very good, i don't do much sets and reps keep everything between 6-8 reps and train 4 times per week with a day off between each training day

http://www.steroid.com/anabolic_workouts.php

I am not gonna go crazy on weight poundage either for sure i don't want to injure myself again, and i am still not 100%.

I try to eat around 2400-3000 cals a day right now, i sort of dropped the saturated fats and fat all togheter.

[flatscat]

That sucks bro. Maybe things will be better in Pak for ya - hope that works out. Food has to be better there.

[Times Roman]

^ I'm hoping everything is better over there.... better pharms, better diet.... i hope i don't have to ship exercise equipment there like i had to do here....

I should find out in a week what's up. the conference is over, the director is heading back to DC, so hopefully, he will email me with some good news....

[zaggahamma]

Last time i weight lifted before injury i was 5 feet 10 inches and around 210 pounds, my bench press was 220 pounds. I was 28 years old

At 39 now last time i trained last summer before getting theses huge muscle spasm pains i was able to bench press less then 100 pounds and lat pulldown 70 pounds. My bodyweight at that time was 217 pounds

Now after my fifth week on TRT at a dosage of 200MG per week i started training again and gained some weight i am now around 235 pounds but my gut stayed the same size around 40 inches.

I was able to bench press 140 pounds without too much problem, and i was able to lat pulldown 100 pounds for 8 good reps.

Now if i look at GDEVINE post how much time to get results from TRT i am a bit far from my 3 months to get strenght increase?

But i did experience the initial weight gain, i was around 220 i guess when i started TRT and now after 5 weeks i am 235 give or take 5 pounds.

Side effect wise i also have some acne but nothing major. I also feel that most of the carbs i eat go into the muscles instead of the fat, and my body is slowly changing, i look a lot more muscular?

Not sure if this is because if the dosage i was given 200mg per week ?

My diet is top notch too but i do not eat more then i did before, i layed off the low carb diet and re introduced veggies and fruits in my diet, like frozen berries, fusion V8 post workout.

i saw strength gains within a couple weeks

and dont understand weighing and then saying give or take

everybody reacts different..different gains, diff losses, this is YOURS

sounds like everything is positive...from here monitor symptoms and bloodwork and make changes as needed (diet, cardio, doses)

[yannick35]

Times Roman i do understand your point, i also have some issues with diet, i try to make better choices when ordering out, when i work.

Problem is that i am not on a cycle i am on TRT? I want to take full advantage of that therapy.

What my medical doctor told me is that after some time on TRT most food will be shuttled into muscles instead of fat. That in the span of 6 months i should have gained from 15-20 pounds of muscles (this needs to be done along with a weight lifting program). And that in the same process i should start to see some fat dropping off.

I did a cycle when i was younger, deca 250mg per week, test E 500-750mg per week and winstrol v 100mg per week. I was always hungry, and packed on some serious fat.

This time around i am a lot less hungry, and feel i can work with this.

[yannick35]

I did a plumbing course back in 1992 i was 20 at that time, i met this guy who was competing in amateur bodybuilding shows, he was 34, he showed me the ropes so to speak.

He was 5 feet 7 and around 203 pounds. He never took supplements but did cycle, he had the weirdest cycle too like Winstrol V and Equiopse with no Testosterone.

He had an amazing shape, and to be honest, is diet was not complicated at all, he never ate 6 meals a day, he did not cut carbs. But i do remember him eating smaller portions when he was cutting up.

If he ate a spagetti he would cut is portion, i ate eggs, peanut butter sandwish, and he was strong as a horse.

He also drank 1 litre of milk after is training this was is PWO meal.

I don't feel dieting should be that hard, after all this guy did it that way and he look amazing.

[zaggahamma]

I did a plumbing course back in 1992 i was 20 at that time, i met this guy who was competing in amateur bodybuilding shows, he was 34, he showed me the ropes so to speak.

He was 5 feet 7 and around 203 pounds. He never took supplements but did cycle, he had the weirdest cycle too like Winstrol V and Equiopse with no Testosterone.

He had an amazing shape, and to be honest, is diet was not complicated at all, he never ate 6 meals a day, he did not cut carbs. But i do remember him eating smaller portions when he was cutting up.

If he ate a spagetti he would cut is portion, i ate eggs, peanut butter sandwish, and he was strong as a horse.

He also drank 1 litre of milk after is training this was is PWO meal.

I don't feel dieting should be that hard, after all this guy did it that way and he look amazing.

i had the same mentor

[yannick35]

This is why i kind of don't feel like eating 6 small meals per day, i really find this to be more of a problem for me. Also i don't want to spend all my life cooking, there was this girl i worked with at one point who without any training she ate 6 times per day and lost around 10 pounds in 2 weeks, so i know it works, she loved to cook but even then at some point she stop doing that. I will eat around 4 times per day.

[zaggahamma]

This is why i kind of don't feel like eating 6 small meals per day, i really find this to be more of a problem for me. Also i don't want to spend all my life cooking, there was this girl i worked with at one point who without any training she ate 6 times per day and lost around 10 pounds in 2 weeks, so i know it works, she loved to cook but even then at some point she stop doing that. I will eat around 4 times per day.

i too eat around 4/5 times a day and total around 3000 calories a day on average and maintain around 17% bf for the last year at 240 on very little exercise..i average 4 times a week in the gym 45-55min weights and 20-30 cardio each of those days and other than that not much exercise...work is slow and chill alot...i think i could put a dent in the 17% if i had a routine in the morning as well/on top of the gym work
but everyones different, has diff goals, and metabolizes differently...like u said the competitive bb'er was eatin sketti and pbj sammies not chicken breast and sweet taters and egg whites but controlled portions...

food for thought

[yannick35]

i too eat around 4/5 times a day and total around 3000 calories a day on average and maintain around 17% bf for the last year at 240 on very little exercise..i average 4 times a week in the gym 45-55min weights and 20-30 cardio each of those days and other than that not much exercise...work is slow and chill alot...i think i could put a dent in the 17% if i had a routine in the morning as well/on top of the gym work
but everyones different, has diff goals, and metabolizes differently...like u said the competitive bb'er was eatin sketti and pbj sammies not chicken breast and sweet taters and egg whites but controlled portions...

food for thought

There is a lot of crap going around, if you put your bodyweight on the protein counter either at bodybuilding.com or the ast website they will tell you, you need 400g of protein a day. This is ridiculous and cannot be done without supplement.

I am planing on getting a diet based on my blood test, my medical doctor as a few nutritionist at the clinic, they are very good too, he eats fruits, drinks juice, eats raw honey and he is very slim for is age he must be close to 60 years old. Is energy level is true the roof.

I plan on getting this diet soon as well, i used to be on a semi low carb diet, but since then started to eat more fruits, not over doing it about 1 cup of frozen berries a day, also orange juice mixed with lemon juice and spiruline, and glutamine, and a fusion V8 juice after training with again glutamine.

I still eat eggs, i never understood why people would eat egg whites, and throw away the yolks which is filled with amazing nutrients.

I dont want to weight my food as some website say. And i dont want to feel hungry all the time.

17% BF at 240 pounds is pretty amazing to me, i must be in the 25-26% maybe higher. Like i said i am using the weight training program on this website, i take 3 minutes between sets and that takes me around 45 minutes to complete. For cardio i play on my xbox 360 kinect, some sports and that is it, i also go walking with my GF but now its getting freaken cold outside....

[Brohim]

Your weight has everything to do with diet.

[JohnnyVegas]

I am coming into this conversation late, but can tell you my experience.

I started TRT (200mg/week, like you) in De***ber of last year at 36% body fat at 210 pounds. I wouldn't even let my wife see me shirtless if at all avoidable. I wish I had "before" photos, but I wouldn't even let people take pictures of me CLOTHED because I hated myself so much.

In the first seven weeks I gained 14 pounds of muscle and lost 5 pounds of fat. I was lifting seriously and was eating a clean diet for growth (cannot remember how many calories). After that I would put on a few pounds of muscle and lose a few pounds of fat every month. I felt strength gains after a few weeks, but nothing massive.

I dropped my calories to 1800 a few months ago to get rid of more fat and am starting to look pretty good. Even though my weight has only gone from 210 pounds to 195 pounds, I have gained 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat. So, you will need to have a better understanding of your BF levels to know how your body is really changing. I have found that the mirror is a better gauge than the scale if you aren't tracking your BF.

If you want to look better, my advice is to talk to the diet guys and start trimming your fat down. Believe it or not, in the past few months I haven't gained much muscle, but have lost a lot of fat and everyone is starting to comment on how big I am getting. I think it is because we look more muscular (even when smaller) when we aren't as sloppy.

I think you will do great at 200mg/week, and all you need to do is eat right and lift. The results will take care of themselves. Take pictures every week or every month, because the changes aren't as obvious when you see yourself every day. A year from now you will look at those photos and say "HOLY CR*P!"

I know I gave you a bunch of useless info, but I am excited that you are starting the big change.

[yannick35]

I am coming into this conversation late, but can tell you my experience.

I started TRT (200mg/week, like you) in De***ber of last year at 36% body fat at 210 pounds. I wouldn't even let my wife see me shirtless if at all avoidable. I wish I had "before" photos, but I wouldn't even let people take pictures of me CLOTHED because I hated myself so much.

In the first seven weeks I gained 14 pounds of muscle and lost 5 pounds of fat. I was lifting seriously and was eating a clean diet for growth (cannot remember how many calories). After that I would put on a few pounds of muscle and lose a few pounds of fat every month. I felt strength gains after a few weeks, but nothing massive.

I dropped my calories to 1800 a few months ago to get rid of more fat and am starting to look pretty good. Even though my weight has only gone from 210 pounds to 195 pounds, I have gained 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat. So, you will need to have a better understanding of your BF levels to know how your body is really changing. I have found that the mirror is a better gauge than the scale if you aren't tracking your BF.

If you want to look better, my advice is to talk to the diet guys and start trimming your fat down. Believe it or not, in the past few months I haven't gained much muscle, but have lost a lot of fat and everyone is starting to comment on how big I am getting. I think it is because we look more muscular (even when smaller) when we aren't as sloppy.

I think you will do great at 200mg/week, and all you need to do is eat right and lift. The results will take care of themselves. Take pictures every week or every month, because the changes aren't as obvious when you see yourself every day. A year from now you will look at those photos and say "HOLY CR*P!"

I know I gave you a bunch of useless info, but I am excited that you are starting the big change.

JohnnyVegas your info and feedback is never useless, you are great inspiration. I also know i need to give myself time, my strenght increase was nothing major but encouraging for the least. At 200MG per week its good to see i will do great in the future, the pump i am getting is amazing, and the hardness is starting to show too, the arms and legs are coming up great too.

I will need to look into cutting cals to around 1800 a day, right now i am still doing PRP treatments, but i am sure that testosterone will still be a great help to repair the ligaments and tendons of the body. Boost immune system, and so much more.

Some of my chronic pain is gone, but i still have ligament laxity that is causing issues.

[zaggahamma]

I am coming into this conversation late, but can tell you my experience.

I started TRT (200mg/week, like you) in De***ber of last year at 36% body fat at 210 pounds. I wouldn't even let my wife see me shirtless if at all avoidable. I wish I had "before" photos, but I wouldn't even let people take pictures of me CLOTHED because I hated myself so much.

In the first seven weeks I gained 14 pounds of muscle and lost 5 pounds of fat. I was lifting seriously and was eating a clean diet for growth (cannot remember how many calories). After that I would put on a few pounds of muscle and lose a few pounds of fat every month. I felt strength gains after a few weeks, but nothing massive.

I dropped my calories to 1800 a few months ago to get rid of more fat and am starting to look pretty good. Even though my weight has only gone from 210 pounds to 195 pounds, I have gained 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat. So, you will need to have a better understanding of your BF levels to know how your body is really changing. I have found that the mirror is a better gauge than the scale if you aren't tracking your BF.

If you want to look better, my advice is to talk to the diet guys and start trimming your fat down. Believe it or not, in the past few months I haven't gained much muscle, but have lost a lot of fat and everyone is starting to comment on how big I am getting. I think it is because we look more muscular (even when smaller) when we aren't as sloppy.

I think you will do great at 200mg/week, and all you need to do is eat right and lift. The results will take care of themselves. Take pictures every week or every month, because the changes aren't as obvious when you see yourself every day. A year from now you will look at those photos and say "HOLY CR*P!"

I know I gave you a bunch of useless info, but I am excited that you are starting the big change.

.....................lean does look bigger than sloppy

[JohnnyVegas]

It will be great when your shoulder heals. My injury kept me away from the gym for several years, but life got better as soon as I was able to lift again...well, as soon as I started TRT and was able to lift again. I am glad they happened at the same time. Getting back to the gym with Test levels in the low 200s would have been disappointing.

[yannick35]

It will be great when your shoulder heals. My injury kept me away from the gym for several years, but life got better as soon as I was able to lift again...well, as soon as I started TRT and was able to lift again. I am glad they happened at the same time. Getting back to the gym with Test levels in the low 200s would have been disappointing.

Exactly what my medical doctor said, low T and anemia are not a very good combination with weight lifting. After doing a lot of reseach on testosterone i am very amazed at all the benefits it as to offer in healing the body, bones, with fat loss and muscle gains. I should have been put on T a long time ago but sadly incompetence in the medical field prevented that, the other medical doctor i used to go to was a complete jerk, i asked about testosterone, he said that he puts people on androgel gel but he said 80 year old not young men like me, never took that time to give me a t test.

I also feel that shoulder injury can be repaired with injecting the T in the shoulder. Dr Ross Hauser the guru of prolotherapy is now working with HGH and testosterone injection its another for of prolotherapy and regeneration therapy. I am injecting either in my cracking shoulder (still i have no pain) and near the hip joint where i have my snapping hip. Even if the testosterone is injected an inch and a half i feel that the testosterone still spread near the injured site.

When the upper back laxity is fixed and the sacral region along with the hip i should be ready to go, my guess is in 6 months i will be able to hit the gym full blast and also do some good cardio.

[JohnnyVegas]

I thought injection location didn't make a difference since it is doesn't effect the body until it is absorbed into the blood stream?

[yannick35]

I thought injection location didn't make a difference since it is doesn't effect the body until it is absorbed into the blood stream?

JohnnyVegas i am still looking into this, its very new at the Hauser clinic as well, for me if it can speed up my rehab then good, i also still have some anemia, i read that it takes 3 months for testosterone to produce red blood cell. Still for anemia i dont have the symptoms i used to have last year, pale, out of breath, dark circles under the eyes, and more.

I feel a lot better this time around and really hope that Low T is causing the anemia.

[zaggahamma]

JohnnyVegas i am still looking into this, its very new at the Hauser clinic as well, for me if it can speed up my rehab then good, i also still have some anemia, i read that it takes 3 months for testosterone to produce red blood cell. Still for anemia i dont have the symptoms i used to have last year, pale, out of breath, dark circles under the eyes, and more.

I feel a lot better this time around and really hope that Low T is causing the anemia.

you started with anemia symptoms after trt? or did u mean to say you hope its curing it?

[SEOINAGE]

I've heard of some olympic trainers advocate really high frequency since your muscles recover faster than your tendons/ligaments, and by doing the high frequency will prevent your muscles from recovering so you aren't as recovered for next work out so you don't over do it. That was the basics I got from it. Anyways, just work your way up, and keep your form good. As for the mention of the 6 meals a day bit, I don't think that is necessary AT ALL. What was posted in this thread is good info on the whole food issue.

[yannick35]

Well i am done eating like a bird, starving myself and more, i am taking full advantage of that TRT therapy. I am not going to eat any junk food, but i wont shy away from a xmas meal with patatoes and turkey and more.

If i can work with that 240 pounds i will, getting more muscular and reducing bodyfat. I am in no hurry either and ready to put that whole year infront of me to make changes.

[yannick35]

I got anemia back in 2008, my old medical doctor who was a fraud never told me after the blood test. I do not have cancer i passed the test, i also had an HIV test done in 2002 that came back negative, i did some fooling around back then and had unprotected sex with a few women.

Last year before getting prolotherapy done by my new medical doctor he treated the anemia with iron pills, eating red meat everyday and eggs.

My anemia went from 134 to 157 in about 4 months. I was advise to cut the iron pills out but continue to eat red meat and eggs to keep iron high.

This was back in April of last year. In September i had another full blood test and i was anemic once more, my level had creeped back down to 139.

My white blood cell are fine, my platela are also fine but the red blood cell are not?

I was put on TRT even before i was diagnosed with low T, due to my light depression, low energy, muscle spasm, and gain in bodyfat.

He also told me that low testosterone can cause anemia, and that T will procude red blood cells. So yes i hope it will cure my anemia for good.