Anyone supplement there TRT with small deca durabolin dosage?

[yannick35]

I read on a few website and i think that a few people on here supplement there trt with small dosage of deca durabolin, from what i have read around 70-100mg per week is enough to have the effect on the joints and more.

I am planing on cutting out masteron when i run out due to it being very expensive, and from the advise of many here to it might not be such a good idea after all.

I might try to go a year on deca at small dosage and see how it affect my ligaments and tendons and might get an x ray to see what it did to my bone density in the neck.

I have also been told that deca does wonders for the core muscles strenghtening them and more.

[bass]

never heard anyone running deca that long. remember, deca has some serious sides even for a short cycle, but if you are under a doctor's care then you maybe okay, still deca for a year is way-way too long IMHO! basically you will be a guinea pig trying to see what these types of treatments will do to/for you! we will be reading...

[yannick35]

I guess my best bet is to finish off the 20 week cycle at 200mg per week and then get more blood test to see where i am at.

I would really love to get a sort of infra red to see if my ligaments have healed up and gotten stronger.

Deca at small dosage can be quite safe, not like dianabol or any oral steroid, i am also staying away from trend apparently its very hard on the body too.

I have also read that many people on TRT will go on a regular steroid cycle then taper off then go back to TRT once more. Like a 8 week or 12 week with higher dosage of testosterone and deca.

There is also an article running around that has been critizied by many about how testosterone at dosage higher then 200mg per week sort of inibit the production of collagen in the body.

Most people who read that article say it has no scientific proof.

This one is a great read http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/128655-overview

this is a link to one who posted the article mentioned above: http://forums.steroid.com/archive/in.../t-415571.html

Thanks for the reply bass

[Vettester]

Bass is correct, a nor19 compound like deca should be cycled on and off, even in the smaller dosages. I'm on my last week of a 12 week run at 200mg/wk. Gained about 18 pounds from start to finish, but that was kind of the plan. I'll start back on my normal HRT protocol at the 1st of the year.

[yannick35]

Bass is correct, a nor19 compound like deca should be cycled on and off, even in the smaller dosages. I'm on my last week of a 12 week run at 200mg/wk. Gained about 18 pounds from start to finish, but that was kind of the plan. I'll start back on my normal HRT protocol at the 1st of the year.

vetteman08 what was the rest of your cycle like? did you up your test i suppose you used armidex too? don't mind running deca for 12 weeks 18 pounds amazing.

I seem to be doing great on test E 200mg per 10 days, starting to build a very good physique. I am almost 246 pounds, started 7 weeks ago at around 224. For sure some is water, but the belly is not getting bigger, grrr not getting smaller either LOL. Gotta give diet time to sync in.

Back in 2006 when the chiro saw no improvement in my condition go figure after i got mad at him a few times too he told me that if i lost weight i was 220 at that time that is adjustments would hold and that my pelvic would stop getting unaligned.

I beleived him because at that time it seemed to be a credible solution. I was also very fat at 220, at that time. It took me 3 months of low carbing and low calories to get at 183 pounds, i really did not feel good at that weight and my pelvic was still getting unaligned. Lesson learned i have to go with my bodyweight, its clear that my body is fully reacting to the low testosterone level, i can only imagine myself getting even bigger when the deca start working, which is scary.

I am very close to 250 pounds right now, i guess a good goal would be to get back down to around 215-220 but like i said with the diet adjustments, the holidays will almost be over, i guess i will see what i can do.

[bullshark99]

The only thing I ever got out of Deca was a limp dick and additional acne. Its very slow acting, i tried 150 per week for about 10 weeks and was very disappointed with it. Not worth the mony IMO

[ecdysone]

I'm on my last week of a 12 week run at 200mg/wk. Gained about 18 pounds from start to finish, but that was kind of the plan.

ditto what yannick said. I'm planning something similar and just wondered your thoughts re: your protocol.

[Vettester]

Guys, real simple ... Add a little liquid prami during the cycle and those ed sides will stay away. I went through the same thing the first time I added deca, even with the increase of test. A small amount of prami, such as .25mg x 2/wk keeps that from happening. Nor 19 deca will effect progesterone, thus also increasing prolactin levels. Adding a prolactin antagonist will work.

Yannick, to answer your question ... Yes, the other variable to running deca properly is making sure to add the correct amount of exogenous testosterone. My recommendation is going with at least a 1:1 ratio.

My current protocol ...
Test cyp ..................... 200mg/wk
Deca/Nandrolone .......... 200mg/wk
HCG ........................... 250iu x 3/wk
Arimidex ...................... 0.5mg x 2/wk
B12 Methylcobalamin ..... 250mcg/wk

Starting on Jan 01:
Test cyp ..................... 120mg/wk
HCG ........................... 250iu x 3/wk
Arimidex (liquid) ............ 0.3 x 2/wk
Pregnenolone cream ...... 25mg/day
DHEA cream ................. 25mg/day * Will see where levels are at when I run next labs in Jan.
B12 Methyl .................. 250mcg/wk

Note: Will run labs around mid January. Also, will donate blood again around this same time.

[Vettester]

Yannick, on another note ... If I'm reading correctly, it sounds like you are looking to drop some weight. I can assure you that deca is not a good compound to talk about when the subject of weight loss is in the same conversation. I'm not one that gains weight all that easy. I was down to 181lb before adding deca, and now I'm darn close to 200. Yes, for me that was planned, and that was part of the reason I added deca. Of course I upped my calories, but add in some heavy weights, some more test, and some deca, and wah-lah ... Up goes the weight (and strength too!). My waistline was 32/33 and is now a comfortable 34. I'll drop that back down soon enough ...

[yannick35]

Yannick, on another note ... If I'm reading correctly, it sounds like you are looking to drop some weight. I can assure you that deca is not a good compound to talk about when the subject of weight loss is in the same conversation. I'm not one that gains weight all that easy. I was down to 181lb before adding deca, and now I'm darn close to 200. Yes, for me that was planned, and that was part of the reason I added deca. Of course I upped my calories, but add in some heavy weights, some more test, and some deca, and wah-lah ... Up goes the weight (and strength too!). My waistline was 32/33 and is now a comfortable 34. I'll drop that back down soon enough ...

Repair my body that is the ultimate goal, diet in check and then lose weight. Deca right now is to help along prolo with ligament laxity. I will leave to rest to dieting and the mirror.

[yannick35]

The only thing I ever got out of Deca was a limp dick and additional acne. Its very slow acting, i tried 150 per week for about 10 weeks and was very disappointed with it. Not worth the mony IMO

200mg is the norm for an effect, 150mg is too low you will get joint benefits but not the whole thing at that dosage.

[moparmuscle]

I have been running 150mg week for a year now as part of my HRT, love the effect on my joints.

[JD250]

Mopar, do you feel like there has been an anabolic effect from that dose, notice it in the gym..... or in the mirror?

[moparmuscle]

No other then the fact my shoulder and knee work so I can still lift heavy (current bench PR for 2011 is 405x5 reps, deadlift is 505x5 reps strapped and 505x3x2 raw, squat atg wide stance is 405x6 reps raw). I'm also step dropping the dose to the lowest I can for joints. Going to try 100mg e7d soon and then 75mg e7d. So yes and no. It allows me to continue to lift heavy with bad joints and that has a positive effect, it's not even close to enough for a true anabolic dose though IMO.

[JD250]

Thanks, I've used deca at 200ish each week and my shoulder and joints in general felt great, I'm about to do it again and thinking about going down in dose, thinking along the same lines as you are, finding the minimum and still get relief.

The long term aspect is interesting....any sides that you have noticed?

[moparmuscle]

Not at lower dose, I am hoping 75-100mg will be effective, will save me a ton of money over time lol.

No bloat or sexual sides at that dose. If you are prone to prolactin sides take a natty anti prolactin like p5p

[yannick35]

moparmuscle and jd250 please keep me updated on your results, i am on 200mg of deca ew right now, but if afterward i can lower to dosage at 100mg a week and still get the benefits for joints with the added testosterone TRT that would be great. Also deca boost the immune system which is a major plus.

Thanks for your feedback guys really appreciated.

[yannick35]

vetteman08 your cycle looks great, after i am done with my 20 weeks i will check if i can lower my testosterone at around 100mg per 7 days instead of 200mg per 10 days. Looking at almost everyone TRT i think my medical doctor might have given me way too much T and i am not really feeling any better.

[Vettester]

vetteman08 your cycle looks great, after i am done with my 20 weeks i will check if i can lower my testosterone at around 100mg per 7 days instead of 200mg per 10 days. Looking at almost everyone TRT i think my medical doctor might have given me way too much T and i am not really feeling any better.

The variable people need to factor in is knowing what affect HCG plays in their protocol. Since HCG will promote natural production, the needed amount of exogenous testosterone will decrease. For each person, it's a discovery process to find the right balance to get your program optimized.

[moparmuscle]

vetteman08 your cycle looks great, after i am done with my 20 weeks i will check if i can lower my testosterone at around 100mg per 7 days instead of 200mg per 10 days. Looking at almost everyone TRT i think my medical doctor might have given me way too much T and i am not really feeling any better.

At 247lb fasted and ~10% BF 150mg is enough for me. I am pretty positive that 75-100mg will also be enough. I will let you know.

[yannick35]

I lower my dosage believe it or not 8 weeks ago i started on TRT at 200mg per week i was at around 220 or so, after 4 weeks my weight climbed at 236 pounds, i added deca at 200mg and masteron at 200mg and 2 weeks later now it is i climbed at 248. For the past week or so i cut all dosage down to 100mg per week and i lost 8 pounds, i am back to 240 pounds, all i can say is wow i am soooo impress by the medical community and apparently at 200mg of test E per 10 days i would not have needed an AI, hey your are a pretty big guy my medical doctor said you can take it.

From what i see from many 200mg of test E is more like a cycle then a TRT protocol.

No need to say i am retaining water like hell, i also develop tinnitus (ringing in my ear) and sure i have high blood pressure. I told very specifically my medical doctor that i did not want to add weight, and that i needed to weight to go down, at 220 pounds i was already too big, and no i don't have big bones i have regular bones and should be weighing in around 200 pounds.

I also read and some members here told me that deca will cause water retention, i saw that with 200mg that is about what happens.

If the body produces 4-7mg of testosterone naturally a day and my testosterone level is slightly lower then normal 6 on a scale of 14, then by taking 100mg per 10 days should do the trick and taking deca 100mg per 7 days, i am looking to repair myself not gain mass, i am 39 years old now not in my mass gaining years when i was 16.

[moparmuscle]

You need to do a follow up full hormone panel on the day of your shot (before the shot) to see where you are at. You might need to lower the dose, might need an AI (most likely). When's the follow up blood work scheduled?

IMO 200mg deca wk is overkill for just joints. Some guys have sucsess with 50-60mg week which is why I'm hopeful 75mg will work.

[yannick35]

You need to do a follow up full hormone panel on the day of your shot (before the shot) to see where you are at. You might need to lower the dose, might need an AI (most likely). When's the follow up blood work scheduled?

IMO 200mg deca wk is overkill for just joints. Some guys have sucsess with 50-60mg week which is why I'm hopeful 75mg will work.

My medical doctor is an A$$ what can i say, been putting guys on testosterone for 15 years yeah right, he does not give an AI because he says that at this dosage i don't need any, last time i went to is office was in De***ber i showed him the weight gain he started laughing, he knows $hit about steroids.

I want to rebuild my body and get has much collagen has possible in it to benefit my prolotherapy treatments. Last night i went to my mother house she has a blood pressure machine i took it i was at 143, and my pulse was at 88. Took it again an hour later it was at 134 and my pulse still high at 80, the an hour later again it jumped back at 143 and my pulse was back at 88.

I am not sure dropping deca at 100mg will provide all the collagen i need, i know that testosterone produces collagen has well. I will have to try all at 100mg per week, for an AI i was given masteron.