why not higher dose for mma?

[mr.trenoob]

The consensus seems to be if you are doing mma training a low dose of test is the cycle to run. Just curious why a lower dose is considered the best? Wouldn't a higher dose yield better results? I think I know why but just want to hear it from others.

[Swifto]

Fitness.

[mr.trenoob]

Fitness.

sorry but that may be one the least informative responses I have seen here. Care to expand on that at all?

[gixxerboy1]

well if you are doing mma you arent trying to put on a ton of weight, You need to remain or make weight, Also higher doses give bigger pumps among other things.

If you need a big cycle for mma then its not the right sport for you. Guys use it just to recover quicker

[mr.trenoob]

Well what if I am not worried about remaining or cutting weight? Do you really suffer bad pumps running test only? My main use would be for recovery as you said but just curious if weight isn't a factor?

[randymeans]

This is my experience so far. I'm at week 6 of my test only cycle. This is my 1st cycle and I'm running 535mg a week. The last 2 weeks the pumps in the gym get greater and greater. It feels like your skin is going to rip the fvck apart. I love mma style workouts and circuit training but it is near impossible to do them because that that damn "pump"......the best example I can give is taking creatine for a few weeks,get drunk and dehydrated one night then lift weight. If that makes any sense

[mr.trenoob]

So knowing that, would it make sense to try 400mg a week and if the pumps are bad go even lower? I'm not at all concerned with weight since when I fight it will be at heavyweight anyway but thats at least a year away. I really want to be able to do 2-a-days with bjj and muay thai so I imagine the extra test would really boost recovery and 2 days a week will be strength training so I would be happy with some slight gains in mass as well but not overly concerned about losing or gaining much.

[gixxerboy1]

So knowing that, would it make sense to try 400mg a week and if the pumps are bad go even lower? I'm not at all concerned with weight since when I fight it will be at heavyweight anyway but thats at least a year away. I really want to be able to do 2-a-days with bjj and muay thai so I imagine the extra test would really boost recovery and 2 days a week will be strength training so I would be happy with some slight gains in mass as well but not overly concerned about losing or gaining much.

instead of going high and dropping the dose if it doesnt work. Why dont you try what the people have done it before recommend. And for some reason it doesnt work for you then bump it up

[randymeans]

I promise you that the "pump" will keep you from doing any kind of mma especially boxing.Shoulders feel heavy/pumped even when jumping rope. Words can't decribe how it feels. I have lost a lot of flexability also. Id run it at a low dose or not run it IMO. Some guys like the feeling of muscles coming through their skin but I guarentee you not a single true mma,boxing,or circuit trainer will say its worth the extra recovery time of a high dose(500mg wk) that's just me 2cc

[Swifto]

sorry but that may be one the least informative responses I have seen here. Care to expand on that at all?

Why dont you research steroids and their effects on the cardiovascular system? Specifically, VO2 max and respiratory system.

Then you have the added body weight and mass.

Then you'll get your answer.

[Swifto]

I promise you that the "pump" will keep you from doing any kind of mma especially boxing.Shoulders feel heavy/pumped even when jumping rope. Words can't decribe how it feels. I have lost a lot of flexability also. Id run it at a low dose or not run it IMO. Some guys like the feeling of muscles coming through their skin but I guarentee you not a single true mma,boxing,or circuit trainer will say its worth the extra recovery time of a high dose(500mg wk) that's just me 2cc

I went skiing on cycle once and my quads were so pumped I had to wait every now and then.

Never again.

[randymeans]

Haha I bet they looked damn good when you got finished for the day!

[mr.trenoob]

Why dont you research steroids and their effects on the cardiovascular system? Specifically, VO2 max and respiratory system.

Then you have the added body weight and mass.

Then you'll get your answer.

Thanks for explaining a little further but I have researched and what I read "Testosterone has the ability to increase erythropoiesis (red blood cell production) in your kidneys(9), and a higher Red Blood Cell (RBC) count may improve endurance via better oxygenated blood"

I also don't expect much of a mass gain since that's not going to be the focus of my training but that's why I ask questions.

[randymeans]

I don't care what any website says, I CAN NOT do a circuit routine faster now then before I used test. RBC yaddy yaddy but man I'm warning you. You will be out of damn breath when your doing bjj. Every muscle in your body is pumping and your gonna feel stiff as a board that's busting through his skin lol. Your going to run 500mg anyway because I can tell by how you type. Run it and lower the dose when you see that feeling were talking about.

[mr.trenoob]

I don't care what any website says, I CAN NOT do a circuit routine faster now then before I used test. RBC yaddy yaddy but man I'm warning you. You will be out of damn breath when your doing bjj. Every muscle in your body is pumping and your gonna feel stiff as a board that's busting through his skin lol. Your going to run 500mg anyway because I can tell by how you type. Run it and lower the dose when you see that feeling were talking about.

not really sure how the way i type implies I am going to do 500mg lol. everytime I have been given advice by vets I have followed what I was told. I like to ask questions to make educated decisions and get better understandings. I'll probably stick with 400mg and if I feel these pumps or get to winded I'll drop down to 300mg.

[gixxerboy1]

yea that sounds like your listening to the vets.

[mr.trenoob]

yea that sounds like your listening to the vets.

is 3-400mg a week that high? i didn't run tren when i first asked about it (didn't know anything about aas when I was asking), didn't run test and dbol first cycle even tho I got the dbol free, didn't run var and test first cycle even though I got some for free and a discount, all of this because vets advised me not to including you. not sure why the sarcasm, I am just trying to figure out what to run with the maximum potential.

[wmaousley]

is 3-400mg a week that high? i didn't run tren when i first asked about it (didn't know anything about aas when I was asking), didn't run test and dbol first cycle even tho I got the dbol free, didn't run var and test first cycle even though I got some for free and a discount, all of this because vets advised me not to including you. not sure why the sarcasm, I am just trying to figure out what to run with the maximum potential.

Why in the hell would you run Tren if you are a wannabe MMA fighter? This will hurt your performance more than help it. Tren seems to affect endurance based training to the point you really cant do cardio at all.

Try the Ballerina "STACK" lmao

[mr.trenoob]

Why in the hell would you run Tren if you are a wannabe MMA fighter? This will hurt your performance more than help it. Tren seems to affect endurance based training to the point you really cant do cardio at all.

Try the Ballerina "STACK" lmao

it wasn't for mma training when I asked about it months ago. at the time tren was the only thing I could get and instead of just doing it I came here and started asking questions and learning more about aas..

[Nooomoto]

As a former BJJ practitioner, who competed in the heavyweight or "unlimited" class, I promise the extra weight gain will do nothing but hurt you. You will be slower, be less flexible, your joints will suffer and you will get winded faster. Doing BJJ you should understand that technique is more important than anything else. Strength and size are cool, but if you rely on that you will eventually run into someone who is bigger/stronger, and then what?

[gixxerboy1]

is 3-400mg a week that high? i didn't run tren when i first asked about it (didn't know anything about aas when I was asking), didn't run test and dbol first cycle even tho I got the dbol free, didn't run var and test first cycle even though I got some for free and a discount, all of this because vets advised me not to including you. not sure why the sarcasm, I am just trying to figure out what to run with the maximum potential.

I'm glad you listened in the past. Yes 300-400 is alot if your doing mma. Thats why i told you 200mg. I have had 7 fights before. My friends still fight.

[mr.trenoob]

I'm glad you listened in the past. Yes 300-400 is alot if your doing mma. Thats why i told you 200mg. I have had 7 fights before. My friends still fight.

how long did you run this cycle? what test is better to use? i have a bunch of test-e do you think that will work alright?

[DGK]

Hey vets, if i soak myself in gas and light a match what will happen?

Oh i will burst into flames... well maybe i will use less gas and a lighter.. will that be better..

If your gonna ask advice take it dont negotiate with it

[combat_disciple]

Do not use test for mma training. Use anavar

[mr.trenoob]

Hey vets, if i soak myself in gas and light a match what will happen?

Oh i will burst into flames... well maybe i will use less gas and a lighter.. will that be better..

If your gonna ask advice take it dont negotiate with it

I really love retarded comments like this. First off one person said he is running 530mg's and said it is NEAR impossible to do it not that it was impossible so does it make sense to ask if running between 130 and 230mg's less might be doable?????? please excuse me for asking lots of questions since the responses I get are often scattered or are missing details...

[choker28]

thats why most Bjj and Mma guys use Anavar great strength gains without the mass,and when you competing at world levels Strength does come into play

[mr.trenoob]

does anavar have any negative effects on cardio? what kind of dosage are you talking about? i assume you still run test with it right?

[nobbythedonkey]

I learnt from experience, I did 75mg of test prop eod and even at that dose i noticed a negative effect on my cardio, sure my aggression was a little higher, strength was good but the pumps and also the PIP made it not worth it.

If you shoot in your quads good look with bjj or checking kicks everything is too much effort, shooting in your glutes with PIP is also hard work when training as you do BJJ and working from your back can be really sore.

[nobbythedonkey]

does anavar have any negative effects on cardio? what kind of dosage are you talking about? i assume you still run test with it right?

I'm giving anavar an 8 week run now, the only problem I've come across is the pumps in lower back and calfs, should really get some taurine to help out.

I'm on 50mg a day, only way to see if it effects you is to run it.

[choker28]

does anavar have any negative effects on cardio? what kind of dosage are you talking about? i assume you still run test with it right?

me ive never used it,but i know several world level BJJ players and ive never seen them have trouble with there cardio,but with the routines they do you wouldn't expect cardio problems

[Forest]

I cruise at 200 TestE per 10 days (Prescribed TRT) and am a trained athlete...not MMA but nonetheless a sport requiring strength, speed, and stamina. The increase in aerobic capacity is astounding relative to pre-therapy. My VO2max and anerobic thresholds have increased signficantly, as has my strength. No pumps at this dosege, but have had terrible ones when stacked with Winny and Var. Pumps are not good.

I have also stacked TestE and EQUIP, which gave me even crazier fitness, like blood doping. If you actually compete in a sport you will definitely feel the difference when RBC increases. Good luck.

[mr.trenoob]

I cruise at 200 TestE per 10 days (Prescribed TRT) and am a trained athlete...not MMA but nonetheless a sport requiring strength, speed, and stamina. The increase in aerobic capacity is astounding relative to pre-therapy. My VO2max and anerobic thresholds have increased signficantly, as has my strength. No pumps at this dosege, but have had terrible ones when stacked with Winny and Var. Pumps are not good.

I have also stacked TestE and EQUIP, which gave me even crazier fitness, like blood doping. If you actually compete in a sport you will definitely feel the difference when RBC increases. Good luck.

Is that 200mg in one shot every 10 days or do you split it up?

[Forest]

Oops I meant 400mg/10 days ...I inject 200mg every five days.

[combat_disciple]

Anavar will improve your cardio.

[alpenguy]

Anavar will improve your cardio.

This is the second time you have said this. Explain further...

[combat_disciple]

Do some research on Anavar.. It will make you a better athlete overall period!