Help in making my first cycle ever

[DamageDealer]

ok, guys, here's the deal. i'm 21 y.o., and want to get on a simple bulking cycle. i don't know any dealers or guys that sell steroids, so i'm pretty much limited to what i can get in a pharmacy store. i can buy test prop (50 mg vials), deca (50 mg vials), sustanon-250 and possibly winny in oral form. I also have access to dbol, but i don't wanna use it, cause i'm interested in lean muscle gains, not water. Out of PCT, i can get clen, nolva, possibly clomid, finasteride and proviron. HCG is too expensive, as well as A-dex and aromasin.

Basically, i want an 8-10 week cycle with minimum possible sides. I'm concerned about my hair, so i'm ready to use finasteride if i need to.
I thought of getting on a solo test prop cycle for 10 weeks with 50mg/eod because it'll give me the smallest amount of sides possible. I'm looking to gain about 10 lbs of solid muscle, no more. Any suggestions or corrections are welcome.

[The Bear 79]

Cycling @ ur age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA. And if u think Rim & Aromasin r expensive, imagine how expensive Gyno surgery will b 2 remove ur MAN BOOBS!

[BigGuy90]

I don't think 150mg/week will get you big results..I know on the team I was on, not saying any names, they took low dosages like that with decca to help them play at 100% and not be sore or aching while competing. It didn't get them too noticeable results but it made their recovery much quicker.

[Charly Rivers]

but may be some results?

[The Bear 79]

I don't think 150mg/week will get you big results..I know on the team I was on, not saying any names, they took low dosages like that with decca to help them play at 100% and not be sore or aching while competing. It didn't get them too noticeable results but it made their recovery much quicker.

Ur participation is encouraged & appreciated, but round here our advice is focused on the safest / lowest risk method of cycling, the OP's age presents a significant risk, we would rather see him wait til he's @ least 25, & help him with a better diet & training regime 2 help him put on some LBM 4 now.

[DeadlyD]

Ur participation is encouraged & appreciated, but round here our advice is focused on the safest / lowest risk method of cycling, the OP's age presents a significant risk, we would rather see him wait til he's @ least 25, & help him with a better diet & training regime 2 help him put on some LBM 4 now.

Again.. Agree with bear and where are the stats and training expirence ?

[BigGuy90]

Ur participation is encouraged & appreciated, but round here our advice is focused on the safest / lowest risk method of cycling, the OP's age presents a significant risk, we would rather see him wait til he's @ least 25, & help him with a better diet & training regime 2 help him put on some LBM 4 now.

yeah your right

[DamageDealer]

Again.. Agree with bear and where are the stats and training expirence ?

Stats are:
6'2", 215 lbs, roughly 15% bf. Training experience is 4 years.

[The Bear 79]

Stats are:
6'2", 215 lbs, roughly 15% bf. Training experience is 4 years.

So, wut r ur goals bro? Where do u wana b in a year or 2 or 5.........?

[DamageDealer]

So, wut r ur goals bro? Where do u wana b in a year or 2 or 5.........?

220 lbs, 8% bf. This seems to be my main goal. If i'll be satisfied with how i look, i'll just maintain. then again, if not, i'll try to add 10 more lbs. anyway, i hope i won't need to run any serious cycles to get to my goal.

[The Bear 79]

OK, wut diet & training routine hav u implemented 2 reach this goal?

[DamageDealer]

well, diet is pretty good, i guess, the pr-carb-fat ratio is 60-30-10. Consuming 4200 calories daily. I mainly base my diet on meat, milk and cottage cheese, eggs + rice, potatoes, peanuts, peanut butter, oatmeal, bananas. I also eat tuna eod. Compulsory protein shakes, too. As for training, i train 4-5 times a week. I'm constantly changing routines, so I can't really tell you an exact routine. BPress is 240 x5, squat is 240 x5, deadlift is 300 x5. That's pretty much it.

[DamageDealer]

bear 79, where are you?

[The Bear 79]

Sh!t!! Sorry buddy, I didnt even realize u posted yesterday morning, must hav overlooked it. So, the foods ur eating look pretty good, but I'd like 2 hav a better idea of when & how much, ur body need "X" amount nutrients every 3 - 4 hrs in order 2 encourage & supply muscle growth. We will b able 2 further help if u can break down ur intake. Wut time do u eat each meal? Wut foods do those meals consist of? And most importantly, Cals, Carbs, Protiens & Fats, in each meal. Now, wut I gather from ur post where it sez "Thats pretty much it", is ur total training routine consists of Bench press, Squat & Dead lift. Is that all u do @ the gym or hav I misread?

[DamageDealer]

I eat 7-8 times a day.
Meal 1 (After waking up): Protein shake
Meal 2: Oatmeal, Milk, Banana
Meal 3: Peanut Butter Sandwiches/Peanuts (100g)
Meal 4: Rice/Potatoes/Buckwheat, Meat (150-200g), Feta Cheese, Vegetables
Meal 5: Milk 1 litre
Meal 6 (post wo): Protein shake x2
Meal 7: Eggs, Tuna, Meat (whatever meat i have left)
Meal 8: Cottage Cheese, Oatmeal Cookies/Snickers

the timing of the meals can be different, but i make sure to have 1,5-2 rest periods between meals
that sums up to about 4200-4300/day.

As for training, you must've misread, cause of course i do exercises other than BP, Squats and DLs. I train one bodypart per gym session, that would be arms, delts, chest, legs+abs (i rarely work abs these days), and back+traps, so 5 days a week. I do various compound and isolated exercises. So i'm pretty sure my training's in check. I wouldn't be able to jump from 145 lbs to 195 lbs in 2 years if i were doing everything wrong, right?

[Windex]

well, diet is pretty good, i guess, the pr-carb-fat ratio is 60-30-10. Consuming 4200 calories daily. I mainly base my diet on meat, milk and cottage cheese, eggs + rice, potatoes, peanuts, peanut butter, oatmeal, bananas. I also eat tuna eod. Compulsory protein shakes, too. As for training, i train 4-5 times a week. I'm constantly changing routines, so I can't really tell you an exact routine. BPress is 240 x5, squat is 240 x5, deadlift is 300 x5. That's pretty much it.

Not that I think numbers mean anything, but this is pretty good indication of you not being ready for juice and having a lot more room for natural growth, not to mention you are 220 lbs. (Obviously in addition being too young to cycle). In addition, if money is a problem you need to remove steroids completely out of your vocabulary. Spend your money on food, maybe look into a revered personal trainer (not some joe-blow who took a 2 hour exam) that could help improve your lifting form to maximize workouts, etc. Wait until you are 25+ AND it's financially feasible (everything could be purchased).

[DamageDealer]

Not that I think numbers mean anything, but this is pretty good indication of you not being ready for juice and having a lot more room for natural growth, not to mention you are 220 lbs. (Obviously in addition being too young to cycle). In addition, if money is a problem you need to remove steroids completely out of your vocabulary. Spend your money on food, maybe look into a revered personal trainer (not some joe-blow who took a 2 hour exam) that could help improve your lifting form to maximize workouts, etc. Wait until you are 25+ AND it's financially feasible (everything could be purchased).

Money is not a problem for me, it's just that original Arimidex (produced by AstraZeneca) costs like 120$ for a 28 tablets. Same goes for original Aromasin, and Femara costs even more. If i'll be able to find cheaper anastrozole or exemestan products (at least twice as cheap), than the original ones, i'll spend all the money i need. Again, money is not a problem.
Also, how much should i squat and deadlift in order to be "ready" for gear? Let's leave my age out of this for now lol.

[jasc]

look in to research chems.. you can get aromasin/adex for less than half that