First cutting cycle, any help or opinions appreciated

[B-Wallace]

Im about to start my first cutting cycle and am new to the cutting phase. Ive run numerous bulking cycles including deca, dbol, tren, anadrol and have mastered that.. but ready to harden and lean my physique and switch to the body building versus the power lifting football that ive done my whole life. I just came off of test Cyp, deca, and anadrol. I am 5'10'' and hit 245lbs on my peak at 23% body fat. A week into natural dieting im down to 18% body fat and 230lbs. due to football and bulking, most of my water retention and fat is in my stomach and hips versus arms shoulders and chest. im running a 10 week cycle and planned on 75-100mg ED of prop, 75-100mg ED of tren ace. I really want to include winny or mast into my cycle but ive been told to not even waste money on it unless 10% bf or less. im going on a trip in 9 weeks and trying to lean as much as possible but keep most muscle ive worked so hard for! any advice on mg dosages, any other supplements to add in? ive used tren before bulking and loved it. Any help by experienced members would greatly be appreciated. Although i consider myself intermediate and knowledgable, im always trying to learn more from others! thank you

75-100mg prop ED
75-100mg tren ace ED
Winstrol or masteron???

[The Bear 79]

Welcome B-Wallace, how old r u?

[B-Wallace]

about to turn 22. Im new to the site. Ive been body building for about 3 years now after quitting football, fell in love with it and want to pursue it seriously. Im tired of trying to gain knowledge through other lifters in the gym or trial and error cycles and trying to get on a forum with experienced individuals

[The Bear 79]

I would wait til ur @ least 25 bro. Cycling @ ur age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA. E.D. (limp dik) Low or NO libido & severe depression r just a few of the possibly permanent sides of cycling too young.

[B-Wallace]

i agree, i started a bit young when uneducated on the severity of substances. Im wanting to solidify myself though through this cycle so i do not lose everything coming right off of anadrol. afterwards I plan to be natural for the next several years. However, I do see a Endocrinologist before, halfway through, and at the end of each cycle to get a full physical and a full blood work analysis. i didnt mean that in a rude way back at all, i just didnt want to get categorized as one of the moron kids who run dirty cheap test and dbol all the time in the gym and have no idea what they are doing to themselves.

[The Bear 79]

I think u should ask ur Endo. wut he / she thinks about u using anabolic steroids.

[hwy1378]

I think you're to young but a day late dollar short.. the vet's have your answer... good luck!

[Razor]

i feel bad for these kids in hs and college that think they have to hit the needle so young in life.
if they would only realize the longer they wait they better off they are. our society places to much stress on youth.

[abscess]

I am not usually on this forum due to the way the members treat each other, finally deciding to say something. B-Wallace, from reading your posts above the highly aromatizing androgens, and estrogenic agonists like anadrol are what going to impede growth and development due to your young age. This is due to the role that estrogens (in this case mainly estrodiol) play in causing growth plates to close. I was young when I first cycled, so was Arnold and many pros today. Obviously you have decided to cycle already as you are an adult and make your own decisions... Seeking others opinions and counsel is wise but perhaps this is no the board for you.

[The Bear 79]

Yeah he should follow u 2 a board full of dangerously inexperienced, unknowledgable, rejects like u rite? And dont tell me ur not a dangerously inexperienced, unknowledgable, reject.................ur BS post oozes it.........

[alexISthrowed]

What previous cycles have you run?

[abscess]

To Alex, mainly testosterone, no methylated compounds no nor-19's. Blood tests come out perfect every 3 months I an prescribed testosterone cypionate. Everything I take is human grade. I have been doing this for 12 years.

To the bear, my statement wasn't directed toward you man. Im not attacking you just trying to post my position.

[B-Wallace]

Test Cyp and Deca, test cyp and anadrol, sustanon and tren ace. and used nolvadex, arimidex, and HCG

[The Bear 79]

To Alex, mainly testosterone, no methylated compounds no nor-19's. Blood tests come out perfect every 3 months I an prescribed testosterone cypionate. Everything I take is human grade. I have been doing this for 12 years.

To the bear, my statement wasn't directed toward you man. Im not attacking you just trying to post my position.

I never assumed ur post was directed @ me, but u suggesting the OP only needs 2 worry bout his Endo. / HPTA if he's using something like A-drol, shows u r undeniably inexperienced & unknowledgable.

[alexISthrowed]

These are pretty high doses your thinking about for your cycle, I'm guessing your previous cycles were similar dose wise. Bodyfat is higher than I would like to see it also. What are you planning for pct? Caber or prami on hand for the tren? Are you going to be able to have your pct supps with you on your trip? Masteron kills winny in all aspects imo.

[B-Wallace]

prami and i have right now nolvadex, arimadex, and HCG on hand.i was going to start lower around 75mg and see how my body reacts. previously i ran 100 EOD of tren ace and had no negative side effects at all besides sweating, compound agreed with my body better than any ive ever taken before. my body fat is higher right now due to the anadrol.. i did a dirty diet bulk with intention to go back to football, and changed paths due to factors. and yes ill have all of them with me on my trip. test prop I am new to, so I planned on starting at 100 EOD or 50ED and go from there

[alexISthrowed]

prami and i have right now nolvadex, arimadex, and HCG on hand.i was going to start lower around 75mg and see how my body reacts. previously i ran 100 EOD of tren ace and had no negative side effects at all besides sweating, compound agreed with my body better than any ive ever taken before. my body fat is higher right now due to the anadrol.. i did a dirty diet bulk with intention to go back to football, and changed paths due to factors. and yes ill have all of them with me on my trip. test prop I am new to, so I planned on starting at 100 EOD or 50ED and go from there

Grab some torem and run 120/120/60/60 and nolva 40/40/20/20 for pct. Run the hcg during your cycle at 250iu 3x per week. What were your previous test dosages? Prop will be no different, just more pinning. I think the dosages you are planning right now will be fine.

[B-Wallace]

bulking i ran 500mg a week of test. so sticking close to that range again. thanks for the help!