2nd cycle help

[bikeral]

I am at the point now that I want to start getting my second cycle together.
I plan to diet down for 12-16 weeks prior getting BF down to the 13-14% range before I start. At this point I am just lining up what I need.
Stats would be
Age 46
weight 210
height 6' 1"
BF 14%
Years training 2
Cycle experience 1 cycle Test 500 mg/week and Equipoise 8 weeks
Goal Gain lean muscle mass

I plan to run
Weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg/week
Weeks 2-12 HCG 250iu EOD
I will have Nolva and AI on hand during cycle if needed
PCT Nolva and Clomid starting 2 weeks after last pin

Does this look like good 2nd cycle and should I add any front load compounds like deca or dbols? Should I do higher dose of test E weeks 1-2 to front load?
Thanks

[baseline_9]

Looks like a good plan... Run the HCG up until 4 days before PCT begins... Also ramp the HCG during this stage.

You could add an oral but I would actually do it at the 8 week mark to keep gains coming

Good luck

[BBrian]

Well, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what you're doing up to this point. As far as adding a stack, at age 46 and being over 200lbs, I personally think that you should run deca throughout the cycle. Not only will it enhance the anabolic affect of your cycle, but it will also safeguard those joints and help to prevent damaging yourself as you start to workout much harder and push more weight. I'm a huge fan of deca and prefer to run it on every cycle now, though I have done several cycles over the past twelve years. I would also recommend using an AI throughout the cycle in small doses instead of waiting for estrogen sides to rear their ugly little bloated and puss-filled heads. As far as front loading, increasing test dosages, etc., it's just all about how much lean muscle mass and strength gains you wish to achieve on this cycle. 600mg per week is a pretty decent dosages for your 2nd cycle, but knowing what I know now, I'd kick the cycle into gear with a short ester like prop, or more preferably, suspension, during the first few weeks. I am a fan of frontloading. But again, it's all about what you wish to achieve and how much test you feel comfortable using, and you seem to have a knowledgeable enough grasp on things. If getting lean is your primary focus, you may even want to consider experimenting with Anavar or Winstrol to see how your body reacts to these compounds.

[redz]

Looks like a good cycle layout, you should feel great and make great gains at 600mg/week.

[bikeral]

Thanks for the replies.

[jimmyinkedup]

Id run low dose ai from the start - pref aromasin. hcg as base said. If u want to run an oral i wouldnt use it to kickstart. I personally love low dose dball. 15mgs/day in 3 /5mg doses for last 6 weeks of cycle and up to pct.
You should log this cycle.

[BBrian]

Id run low dose ai from the start - pref aromasin. hcg as base said. If u want to run an oral i wouldnt use it to kickstart. I personally love low dose dball. 15mgs/day in 3 /5mg doses for last 6 weeks of cycle and up to pct.
You should log this cycle.

Interesting approach jimmy. I personally frontload just for the sake of my own impatience, as I want to get some noticeable gains right off the bat, and then of course spend the next 8-12 weeks doing it slow and steady, relatively speaking of course. How does your method work for you though? Do you do this to surpass the eight-week plateau? Do you have an easy-enough time maintaining these last week gains? And are you cruising & blasting or do you take time off after you've finished your PCT?

[jimmyinkedup]

Interesting approach jimmy. I personally frontload just for the sake of my own impatience, as I want to get some noticeable gains right off the bat, and then of course spend the next 8-12 weeks doing it slow and steady, relatively speaking of course. How does your method work for you though? Do you do this to surpass the eight-week plateau? Do you have an easy-enough time maintaining these last week gains? And are you cruising & blasting or do you take time off after you've finished your PCT?

I do pct and appropriate time off.
If you have never tried low dose dball on cycle i recommend you give it a try.
I do it because of its effects on protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. It def dispells the easy come easy go dball mindset. Its the only way i run dball anymore. In fact if Im doing it i do it the whole cycle up to pct. Even 10 mgs in 2 5mg doses makes a diff. I prefer 15 in 3 5mg doses.

[BBrian]

I do pct and appropriate time off.
If you have never tried low dose dball on cycle i recommend you give it a try.
I do it because of its effects on protein synthesis and nitrogen retention. It def dispells the easy come easy go dball mindset. Its the only way i run dball anymore. In fact if Im doing it i do it the whole cycle up to pct. Even 10 mgs in 2 5mg doses makes a diff. I prefer 15 in 3 5mg doses.

I like the sound of that. Thanks for the great info.

[bikeral]

Well, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what you're doing up to this point. As far as adding a stack, at age 46 and being over 200lbs, I personally think that you should run deca throughout the cycle. Not only will it enhance the anabolic affect of your cycle, but it will also safeguard those joints and help to prevent damaging yourself as you start to workout much harder and push more weight. I'm a huge fan of deca and prefer to run it on every cycle now, though I have done several cycles over the past twelve years. I would also recommend using an AI throughout the cycle in small doses instead of waiting for estrogen sides to rear their ugly little bloated and puss-filled heads. As far as front loading, increasing test dosages, etc., it's just all about how much lean muscle mass and strength gains you wish to achieve on this cycle. 600mg per week is a pretty decent dosages for your 2nd cycle, but knowing what I know now, I'd kick the cycle into gear with a short ester like prop, or more preferably, suspension, during the first few weeks. I am a fan of frontloading. But again, it's all about what you wish to achieve and how much test you feel comfortable using, and you seem to have a knowledgeable enough grasp on things. If getting lean is your primary focus, you may even want to consider experimenting with Anavar or Winstrol to see how your body reacts to these compounds.

If I decide to add deca what do you think would be a good starter dose for first time use?

[bikeral]

Id run low dose ai from the start - pref aromasin. hcg as base said. If u want to run an oral i wouldnt use it to kickstart. I personally love low dose dball. 15mgs/day in 3 /5mg doses for last 6 weeks of cycle and up to pct.
You should log this cycle.

Seems like low dose ai is way to go so I'll add that to the cycle. What do you recommend the dosage should be?
The low dose dbol looks like another good option do you think that would be better then deca?
When I am ready to go I will log the complete cycle with training/nutrition and AAS doses.
Thanks

[BBrian]

If I decide to add deca what do you think would be a good starter dose for first time use?

The low dose dbol looks like another good option do you think that would be better then deca ?

In my opinion a good beginning dose of deca is 200-250mg per week. Also, dianobol and nandrolone decanoate are two completely different things, it isn't something that can be compared in a way to determine which is more effective. Deca is used to lubricate the joints, protect against injury from weight lifting, as well as giving a test cycle a little extra anabolic strength. Dianobol is a very fast acting and powerful testosterone, to be vague. It offers strength and muscle mass gains very quickly, but can also be quite toxic in the liver. If you know anything about Anadrol, Dbol is very similar. Have you read any of the steroid profiles on this site? They're a favorite of mine for referencing the properties of each individual steroid.

[Noles12]

If I decide to add deca what do you think would be a good starter dose for first time use?

It would be completely dependant on your goals with the deca. It would be a lower dose if just using it to lubricate joints compared to using it for mass

[bikeral]

In my opinion a good beginning dose of deca is 200-250mg per week. Also, dianobol and nandrolone decanoate are two completely different things, it isn't something that can be compared in a way to determine which is more effective. Deca is used to lubricate the joints, protect against injury from weight lifting, as well as giving a test cycle a little extra anabolic strength. Dianobol is a very fast acting and powerful testosterone, to be vague. It offers strength and muscle mass gains very quickly, but can also be quite toxic in the liver. If you know anything about Anadrol, Dbol is very similar. Have you read any of the steroid profiles on this site? They're a favorite of mine for referencing the properties of each individual steroid.

Thanks I will read some more and take it from there.

[bikeral]

It would be completely dependant on your goals with the deca. It would be a lower dose if just using it to lubricate joints compared to using it for mass

If I decided to use the deca I would want both the joint help and the extra mass gains.

[bikeral]

OK so I read the info on Deca and DBol. May be a good route to take both suggestions. Maybe add low dose deca weeks 1-12 250mg for joints and low dose dbol to keep gains going 15mg weeks 7-12.
Cycle would look something like this
weeks 1-14? Liquid letro .25mg ED (I have a bottle I never used but I can get aromasin if required)
weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg
weeks 1-12 deca 250mg
weeks 7-12 dbol 15mg ED
weeks 1-13 HCG 250ui EOD
week 14 HCG 500ui EOD
PCT nolva and clomid 4 weeks

Thanks for the help.

[jimmyinkedup]

You should stop the deca a week before the test for proper pct start time. Also id run dball right up to pct.
I hate letro - ran it once - never again. Its too strong imo. Id get aromasin.
250/week of deca is more than u need for joints BUT it will give you joint reliefe AND some minmal gains.
Looking forward to log.

[bikeral]

Jimmy Thanks for taking a second look. I'll get the aromasin.
Probably post a cut log in the diet section in a couple of weeks and when I feel I'm ready I'll start this and log it as well.

[bikeral]

OK Guys ready to go. Last question...(for now)

Here is current proposed cycle.

weeks 1-14 Liquid aromasin 10mg EOD
weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg
weeks 1-11 deca 250mg
weeks 7-12 dbol 15mg ED
weeks 1-13 HCG 250ui EOD
week 14 HCG 500ui EOD
PCT nolva and clomid 4 weeks

I have 2 10ml vials of sust 250 should I use it to start getting gains sooner then Test E

I was thinking I could do 400mg sust and 200mg Test E a week instead of 600mg Test E/week rest of cycle would not change.

[baseline_9]

OK Guys ready to go. Last question...(for now)

Here is current proposed cycle.

weeks 1-14 Liquid aromasin 10mg EOD Good
weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg
weeks 1-11 deca 250mg
weeks 7-12 dbol 15mg ED Good idea... I too, like jimmy run low dosed dbol, I would run it from ween 5 or 6 tho at a low dose like that.... Personal preference
weeks 1-13 HCG 250ui EOD Make this just 3 x per week... Mon, wed fri...
week 14 HCG 500ui EOD You can probably get away with double this at this stage... Or ED at 500.... Maybe consider increasing AI dose.... Just from personal experience, HCG hit me for gyno
PCT nolva and clomid 4 weeks Extend it to 5 or 6....

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40 40 20 20 20 20

I have 2 10ml vials of sust 250 should I use it to start getting gains sooner then Test E You can if u want.... I don't think you will feel that much of a difference though TBH..... You could always just front load the test e for the first week.. Although I Don't really think its nessecary

I was thinking I could do 400mg sust and 200mg Test E a week instead of 600mg Test E/week rest of cycle would not change.

See bold above, When is this going ahead.... U have been holding off for some time... Well done lol

[Trying-Hard]

Id run low dose ai from the start - pref aromasin. hcg as base said. If u want to run an oral i wouldnt use it to kickstart. I personally love low dose dball. 15mgs/day in 3 /5mg doses for last 6 weeks of cycle and up to pct.
You should log this cycle.

This is interesting. First time I have heard running dbol at the last 6 week versus the first 4 weeks. I may give this a shot on my 1st cycle that I am on now. Thanks for the info.

OP, GL. I plan my 2nd cycle to be very similar to yours.

[bikeral]

See bold above, When is this going ahead.... U have been holding off for some time... Well done lol

Hey Base. Thanks for the good info. First pin was this morning. Will start adding my dosage etc to my diet/training log in the nutrition section.