Low LH and FSH

[Herman Munster]

As I stated in a different thread, my bloodwork returned and I had a few issues, one being a low LH and FSH

LH: 0.1
FSH: 0.9

I haven't taken HCG in quite sometime and this obviously explains the results. I had a hard time then and an impossible time now convincing my doc HCG is needed. I know I need to find a new one, once my health insurance issues are resolved (self-employed) I will do so immediately. I just ordered HCG, had to do so on-line, w/out source checking via this site, once it arrives how can I verify it is legit? I read that a OTC pregnency kit will confirm the HCG is real, is it that simple.

Thanks

[HRTstudent]

What else are you taking right now?

What have you taken in the last 6 months?

[steroid.com 1]

Why did you start another thread? Should have kept this discussion in the one you originally started.

How does hCG effect LH and FSH levels?

What are the ranges for these assays?

With levels this low your Testosterone levels must be in the tank if not supplementing.

If you are supplementing then you are in HPTA suppression and explains everything.

[Flier]

As I stated in a different thread, my bloodwork returned and I had a few issues, one being a low LH and FSH

LH: 0.1
FSH: 0.9

I haven't taken HCG in quite sometime and this obviously explains the results. I had a hard time then and an impossible time now convincing my doc HCG is needed. I know I need to find a new one, once my health insurance issues are resolved (self-employed) I will do so immediately. I just ordered HCG, had to do so on-line, w/out source checking via this site, once it arrives how can I verify it is legit? I read that a OTC pregnency kit will confirm the HCG is real, is it that simple.

Thanks

¨^^^^^what gd said, u must feel terrible.
Post all your BW.
How long did u take HCG, and how long have u been off, and when was your BW done?
Your Pituitary has failed/not responding probe because of your HCG use.

[steroid.com 1]

Your Pituitary has failed/not responding probe because of your HCG use.

I don't see how hCG (an LH analog) would cause the pituitary to shut down?

It should not cause HPTA suppression...at least that I know of.

Assuming he producing it would increase levels of LH since it's competing with hCG so levels would be higher.

He's either shut down do to secondary hypogonadism related to some pathology or more likely testosterone use.

[kelkel]

If not on trt then an MRI is urgently needed.

[Herman Munster]

If not on trt then an MRI is urgently needed.

Started a new thread; wasnt sure if not doing so was appropriate since it was a different topic.

Anyway; I am on .5ml of Test Cyp every 5 day IM injection. Only test level I have is Testosterone, Serum 1066 ng/dl. My Estradiol is 26.5. In retrospect I should have authored a single thread and listed the issues w/in, including history.

Thanks

[Flier]

I don't see how hCG (an LH analog) would cause the pituitary to shut down?

It should not cause HPTA suppression...at least that I know of.

Assuming he producing it would increase levels of LH since it's competing with hCG so levels would be higher.

He's either shut down do to secondary hypogonadism related to some pathology or more likely testosterone use.

Because too long or too high use of HCG will eventually inhibit his natural release of LH via the negative feedback loop to the Hyp and Pit.
That´s why I was wondering how long his doc has had him on this HCG treatment.
This whole thing sounds strange though. Complete BW and compound history will say a lot instead of guessing

[kelkel]

Herm my last order of HCG I filled a few weeks ago it listed Hypogonadatropic Hypogonadism right on the product insert as a condition it is used for. Alert your doc.....

[Flier]

Started a new thread; wasnt sure if not doing so was appropriate since it was a different topic.

Anyway; I am on .5ml of Test Cyp every 5 day IM injection. Only test level I have is Testosterone, Serum 1066 ng/dl. My Estradiol is 26.5. In retrospect I should have authored a single thread and listed the issues w/in, including history.

Thanks

oh, so that explains your LH/FSH

[Herman Munster]

Part of what I am strugglng w/ here is the lack of insurance and $ to have a "full" and appropriate set of labs drawn. Im in the process of closing a business, to visit my doc would mean an out of pocket cost and he will not entertain a conversation over the phone and/or a review of the LabCorp results via email. My option at this point is to halt all TRT and start over once my finances improve and/or my insurance is reactivated. Which is think is a little extreme. OR Continue with the TRT, AI and introduce HCG based on the labs I have now. The labs were drawn yesterday, I recieved the results today.

I have had a full set of labs in the past; the last being 3-4 months ago (?), since then it has been a simple check of Test/E/cholesterol every 6 weeks or so.

Thanks

[Flier]

Part of what I am strugglng w/ here is the lack of insurance and $ to have a "full" and appropriate set of labs drawn. Im in the process of closing a business, to visit my doc would mean an out of pocket cost and he will not entertain a conversation over the phone and/or a review of the LabCorp results via email. My option at this point is to halt all TRT and start over once my finances improve and/or my insurance is reactivated. Which is think is a little extreme. OR Continue with the TRT, AI and introduce HCG based on the labs I have now. The labs were drawn yesterday, I recieved the results today.

I have had a full set of labs in the past; the last being 3-4 months ago (?), since then it has been a simple check of Test/E/cholesterol every 6 weeks or so.

Thanks

You can´t just stop TRT without having a solid plan for recovery, and the mental strength and realistic expectations for the complications low test comes with.
Sounds like you are better off continuing with what u are doing.

[Herman Munster]

I'm not, even at these levels I feel much better now then pre-TRT.

[HRTstudent]

You are on Testosterone repla***ent so having your LH and FSH that low is to be expected. Completely normal given the exogenous testosterone.

And estradiol of 26 is also a good number for males.

[steroid.com 1]

oh, so that explains your LH/FSH

That's what I said earlier; he's shut down and I understand the negative feedback loop but I doubt he'd ever see levels like this on hCG...and why I said either pathology or test usage.

He's damn near shut down...and needs hCG BTW

[Herman Munster]

hCG has been ordered and enroute, w/ levels this low is there a need to front-load and then reduce to a more typical dosage?

Thanks

[steroid.com 1]

hCG has been ordered and enroute, w/ levels this low is there a need to front-load and then reduce to a more typical dosage?

Thanks

No, hCG doesn't work like that.

Better would be more frequent dosages with smaller amounts.

My protocol is 250 iu EOD...and the boys are healthy and I feel good.

No single dosage over 500 iu in any given day as it can impact intratesticular E2 which you don't want as an AI is largely ineffective in controlling.

[Herman Munster]

Got it.

Thank you all for the help....

FYI - I'll post a before and after picture of the effected area

[steroid.com 1]

Got it.

Thank you all for the help....

FYI - I'll post a before and after picture of the effected area

Now that'd be a first.