A few questions about Deca

[Thunderforge]

I'm currently running 250mg of Deca and 800mg test blend per week. I'm reading a lot about Deca's joint benefits and would like to enjoy those as well. It seems the consensus is that higher doses are needed though. Anywhere from 400-600 mg.I was all prepared to pick up another bottle of Deca and test tomorrow when I stumbled on the term....Deca Dick! Bum bum buuuummmm!

Uh ohhhhh...

So, who has experience with this? Currently I am heading into week 5 of a planned 10 week cycle. I see now that Deca should be run lomger than 10 weeks so I'm fine with that, also picking the extra test to run for two weeks after the Deca. Gains are good, i'm up 8-10 pounds and strength has been fantastic. I'm also on HRT (which I've suspended until after the cycle). So far no sides and I'm very pleased. I've got a crazy sexed girlfriend and she's loving the benefits as well! I'd REALLY hate to have things go south though.

Advice?

41 years old
15% BF
Traing for 5+ years.
5'11"
192lb

[Bonaparte]

I used 300mg of Deca in my last cycle.
Never had any libido issues, but the bloat and gyno I started developing were deal-breakers.

[Thunderforge]

I used 300mg of Deca in my last cycle.
Never had any libido issues, but the bloat and gyno I started developing were deal-breakers.

I'm running 12.5 mg Liquid Stane also. What AI did you run and how long for the gyno to show up?

[gonebluffn]

This is not advice everything effects everyone different just my past experiance before i found this sight and would never do it again.My first cycle if you want to call it that was 600mg deca a week for 12 weeks with no pct or AI and got great gains and actually my sex drive when through the roof and kept the majority of the gains . Second cycle I got good results running600 mg test e deca 400mg .25 mg adex and 250 iu hcg but didnt compare to the first cycle that I admit was all wrong .Never had any gyno sides a little bloat but thats it . Better safe than sorry just giving you my experiance I would definately listen to the vets thats what I do.

[BigGuy90]

Btw, the 'great joint feeling' will work for you if you already had achy joints or problems with it. If you were fine before, I wouldn't see why it would make you feel better!

[Bonaparte]

I'm running 12.5 mg Liquid Stane also. What AI did you run and how long for the gyno to show up?

I was running 12.5mg of Stane from day 1. But it just wasn't enough to lower estrogen and progesterone enough to prevent the bloat and gyno (the gyno came on after about week 6). But I dropped the Deca and used Letro for a few weeks, which completely reversed the gyno.

I've never had gyno issues from non-19 nors, but Tren and Deca just cause issues for me without fail.

But my whole point here was that deca dick may be the least of your concerns.

[Thunderforge]

Btw, the 'great joint feeling' will work for you if you already had achy joints or problems with it. If you were fine before, I wouldn't see why it would make you feel better!

Yes, definitely have difficulty with my joints. I've already seen improvements everywhere and really only have one trouble spot (shoulder).

Thanks for the info everyone.

[lovbyts]

It is reported that even a low does of 100mg a week is effective for joint relief. Read the profile.
http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php

[FONZY007]

It is reported that even a low does of 100mg a week is effective for joint relief. Read the profile.
http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php

I believe some of the people in the trt section have done 100-150mg a week with success of joint relief.. I personally is going to try 100mg a week and I heard after you stop taking the deca, you still have the relief for 4-5 months after

[Thunderforge]

It is reported that even a low does of 100mg a week is effective for joint relief. Read the profile.
http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php

Hi Lovbyts, thanks for the link! I have already read that though. I start everything there actually. While the profile does indeed recommend 100mg/week there was also a thread floating around here that posed this exact question, "How much to use to see joint relief?" and many of the respected members of this board fell between the 400-600 mg/week group. As I recall none of them said they felt joint benefits at 100 mg/week. I've found other discrepencies between the profiles and what is actually considered normal usage by board members. As an example, Aromasin. The profile lists 25 mg/day as a "very effective dosage" to control estrogen. I started my cycle with that much then began to feel a bit disconnected, tired, etc. Researching further I find that no one here is using that dosage. In fact everyone SEEMS to be using half that. I lowered my dose to 12.5 mg/day and all is well.

Of course, having said that.....Fonzy posts this.

I believe some of the people in the trt section have done 100-150mg a week with success of joint relief.. I personally is going to try 100mg a week and I heard after you stop taking the deca, you still have the relief for 4-5 months after

Heading off to the TRT section I see that most folks in THAT thread are very satisfied with 100-200 mg/week! lol, well, maybe I'll just pick up the bottle and run it and see how it goes. I can always drop back down if it doesn't seem to provide any more benefit. I have Letro just in case.

[lovbyts]

400 - 600 is nothing less than a full cycle, not considered maintenance for joint relief. I have read several people seeing results at 100mg - 150mg a week.

Remember everyone is different when it comes to AI and what works for one does not for another. Some people get away with 12.5 eod, some need more, some dont need any. It's all about what works for you but we try to provide a baseline or starting point so people are not stopping ALL the estrogen.

[Thunderforge]

400 - 600 is nothing less than a full cycle, not considered maintenance for joint relief. I have read several people seeing results at 100mg - 150mg a week.

Remember everyone is different when it comes to AI and what works for one does not for another. Some people get away with 12.5 eod, some need more, some dont need any. It's all about what works for you but we try to provide a baseline or starting point so people are not stopping ALL the estrogen.

Cool, I am running a cycle atm. As I said in my OP. Just looking to up the Deca to see if it improves my shoulder. If I get more quality mass too, all the better.

As a side, I just wanted to thank you for the advice and for not taking anything I said as a challenge. It's not intended as such at all, but the net is a difficult place to convey one's sentiments sometimes and often people tend to see hostility where it's not intended. I appreciate your help.

[lovbyts]

Cool, I am running a cycle atm. As I said in my OP. Just looking to up the Deca to see if it improves my shoulder. If I get more quality mass too, all the better.

As a side, I just wanted to thank you for the advice and for not taking anything I said as a challenge. It's not intended as such at all, but the net is a difficult place to convey one's sentiments sometimes and often people tend to see hostility where it's not intended. I appreciate your help.

Not a problem and none taken. If you are already running 400mg a week I doubt you will notice any extra joint relife by going up to 600mt but you may notice cycle/size difference.

I'm currently trying 150mg a week with my trt for joint relief. I think it's enough but it's only been less than a week so only time will tell.

[Thunderforge]

Only at 250mg/week atm but upping to 500. I'll let you know.

[gearbox]

Only at 250mg/week atm but upping to 500. I'll let you know.

I have used deca and it does help the joints. However, I ran it at 300 mg with great success. Let us know if you feel differently on a 200mg increase. I happen to agree that joints will be the same but gains will increase given a significant period of time.

[Thunderforge]

I have used deca and it does help the joints. However, I ran it at 300 mg with great success. Let us know if you feel differently on a 200mg increase. I happen to agree that joints will be the same but gains will increase given a significant period of time.

Will do. Started the additional tonight. It'll be hard to quantify exactly how effective it is I guess. Lots of variables, and being only in week five. I'm really hoping to see an improvement in shoulder. The other minor tendon issues I have (elbows) have already improved dramatically. Almost to the point of being pain free completely. I'm watching that shoulder carefully and trying not to do any damage to it. It's a bitch though having to limit pushing right now. If it doesn't improve but I pick up a few more pounds of muscle from the additional, well, that's a plus anyway.

[BBrian]

These guys have pretty much covered your questions but I'll add my experience too. I've used anywhere from 250 to 400mg per week with deca and as far as joint health was concerned, felt the same benefits from different doses. The differences that an increase in deca noted were more gains in muscle mass, more of an anabolic/androgenic feeling, more strength and endurance, but certainly more aromatization. Deca is very potent when it comes to bloating and gonadal suppression, so be sure that your PCT reflects the increase in deca dosing. I would highly recommend running HCG while injecting deca as it is infamous for atrophy.