Year long ben johnson cycle

[brnxbomers]

Hi yall im training for speed, strength n endurance. Anyway my prime interest is sprinting speed and tendon strength. I looked at bjs cycle and his trainer charles francis prescribed a very low dose of anabolics with the protocol of 3 weeks on nd 3 weeks off no pct req.

So with that being said im doin sprinter dosages not bbing
Guidlines are keep test below 200 mgs per week along with low dose of tbol and anavar. A cycle would look like this:

3 weeks on and 3 weeks off, all year long
Dosages: anavar 20 mgs per day, 20 mgs of tbol plus test p 150 mgs per week

I just wanted to know if I would need a pct at such low doses again this is sprinter cycle not a bbing cycle. For track lower dosages work better.

Ill be training with plyometrics and running drills combined with strength training. Let me know

[warren916]

yes u would need a pct ..
that cycle would do more harm than good in my opinion...

[AD]

the cycle you described is from BJ's trainer? what about your own trainer, what does he think?

[stpete]

Yes, you need PCT.

Personally, i wouldn't even waste my time or money on a "cycle" like that.

[The Bear 79]

C'mon man, you've been here well over long enough to know those doses, for that length of time, is MORE than enough to shut you down & require PCT.

[BBrian]

I think that's a very interesting approach to using these compounds for track & field athletics. I also think that you aren't going to find many people here who do anything but squint at it in confusion. Anyway, I would assume that a PCT will be required eventually but it depends on how high your test levels have to reach before the gonads are suppressed. You'll just need to have blood work performed to see what your own organs are producing once you have finished using these compounds for a certain amount of time, and you'll need to calculate the half lives of each of them in order to know when that time is. Good luck!

[lovbyts]

Actually since it's 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off no time for PCT it's more of a cruise for a year. Expect you might have difficultly recovering after your year is done though.

[V-ROID]

I read about great results with similar short cycles. I read 2-4 weeks on and 3-5 weeks off, with a week or 2 a PCT after each mini cycle. Tapped out BB'ers were getting great gains with mini cycles. There is a thread here started by Marcus that you might find very helpful if you can find it...

[rockinred]

I personally wouldn't run an oral cycle year long. Even if it is 3 on 3 off. Screw that...there are other compounds out there that can have less of an impact on liver when considering being on year long. just my 2cents. I wouldn't run PCT on that either...imo, it would be pointless. Sounds like blood levels and hormones would be going on a rollercoaster of confusion.

Not saying this protocol you have listed won't work, I just don't like really anything about it. Good luck though.

[lovbyts]

If you do make sure you get blood work done every 3 months or so.

[brnxbomers]

I hope u paid attention, but the test p dose is only 150 per week not per day, anyway that would come out to a miserly 20-30 mgs per day....are u sure I need a pct at that low of dose?

My last cycle was at a much higher dose: 10 weeker of tren ace(75 mgs/day), test p (100 mgs/day)...i did proper pct.

Anyway if u think I still need a pct. kindly tell me what would it,look like for such short duration, low dose mini cycle?

[DanB]

150mg is a trt dose, so you shut down your natty production just to supplement with 150mg test and levels will still be in normal range, what is the point of that?

I.M.O. you wont even notice 20mg of var and tbol, you mite aswell get some creatine and mabey some skittles

[V-ROID]

150mg is a trt dose, so you shut down your natty production just to supplement with 150mg test and levels will still be in normal range, what is the point of that?

I.M.O. you wont even notice 20mg of var and tbol, you mite aswell get some creatine and mabey some skittles

Haha! That is funny. Maybe true for BB'ing but I think (I know personally) that those doses of var and tbol can make an endurance athlete HARD and recover quicker. Still not sold on the mini cycles used in that fashion yet though...

[brnxbomers]

Thankyou. Track athletes are not using bbing doses. Btw I mite use 500 iu hcg per week. Still need pct? Do let me know

[Bonaparte]

That would work ok with just the orals, so long as they doses are kept low and burst length kept short. But when you add test (which is much more suppressive than non-aromatising orals), shit gets real and you'd want PCT.

[gearbox]

Talk about a conflicting thread of many different opinions.

OP as Dan said above you are running a trt dose "what is the point" and I would also like some feed back on your point of shutting yourself down for a bit with such a low dose.

As bonaparte said you have non aromatising roals which is good, but I do not agree to run them for 3 weeks on/off for a year. That is very taxing on your liver imo.
Glad you are asking/seeking advise on this matter. Good luck

[brnxbomers]

Well what about just using tbol and var 3 weeks on and 3 off yearly? No test

[AD]

because bodybuilding and running are 2 completely different sports, its really hard for bbers to extrapolate their knowledge and comment on your runner's cycle and pct protocols. thats why i think you really got to consult your running trainer, if he is experienced with roids.

if i were to guess, i think a pct of just clomid may be safe to consider during each of your 3wks off period. but at what dose? and whether thru-out the whole 3 wks... not sure.

blood test should be done just before you start the next 3wk on period, to make sure your test level and LH has returned to normal, before starting