Test Prop dosage equivalent to Test E 750mg/week

[SHADO]

Hey all, looking to do another cycle shortly, and leaning towards test prop this time.

First cycle was a very low cycle of test e @ 250mg/week just to see how my body reacted, went well decent gains no side effects. Last cycle was UGL Test e @ 750mg/week, made great gains no noticeable side effects, only thing i noticed is when i look back at pics now i was just big and watery, which is why i was keen to try test prop this time.

My question is what dosage of test prop (100mg/ml) would be equivalent to 750mg test e? I keep seeing 150mg eod, but that doesnt come near the dose of 750mg test e i was taking, and i dont want to take so much less test than i was using last time, kind of going backwards.

From what i understand:
750mg of test e = 525mg of test
150mg eod of test prop = 525mg/week = 435mg of test

So test prop at 150mg eod would be 90mg less than the equivalent test e dose i was on last time. I was thinking of maybe doing 200mg eod, this would equate to 581mg of test/week, is this dose too high? I was happy to just float around the same dose as my last cycle, and i have a feeling that 200mg of test prop in 1 pin would hurt pretty bad.

All advice appreciated, thanks in advance

[lovbyts]

I think you are thinking to much. Just pin 100mg every day and be done with it.

[xXthehulkXx]

X2 why complicate things. Keep it simple.

[stpete]

I have to agree. 100mgs ED.

[adamjames]

Ive got prop for my first course, i thought it was a better option as far as water retention goes aswell but ive read a lot of stuff that would point to that not being true at all, many report more sides and water retention on prop, maybe you should run an anti e to avoid the water im not so sure switching to prop will solve your problem......... im only speaking from what i have read ive never cycled it so i couldnt tell you for sure tho

[BBrian]

Adamjames pointed out the bloating problem. You need to be taking an adequate dose of an AI to prevent bloating. If you're bloated the entire time, chances are, your estrogen levels are too high the entire time. The goal is to keep bloating at a minimum without crashing estrogen altogether.

[SHADO]

Actually sorry i forgot to mention the main reason i dont want to use test e again - the absolute waste of time it takes the test to kick in, around 5 weeks or so for me.

Its like you waste 5 weeks and your really only on a 7 week cycle, it really annoyed me last time and while i got good results i said i would not use it again for that reason. Im also not interested in stacking with other compounds such as dianobol or deca.

With the test prop i would only be injecting eod, so mon, wed, fri, sun......i definitely wouldnt be able to pin ed. That would be about 3.5 jabs per week equating to 700mg/week.

Im still thinking this is too high for test prop, anyone agree or disagree?

[adamjames]

Actually sorry i forgot to mention the main reason i dont want to use test e again - the absolute waste of time it takes the test to kick in, around 5 weeks or so for me.

Its like you waste 5 weeks and your really only on a 7 week cycle, it really annoyed me last time and while i got good results i said i would not use it again for that reason. Im also not interested in stacking with other compounds such as dianobol or deca.

With the test prop i would only be injecting eod, so mon, wed, fri, sun......i definitely wouldnt be able to pin ed. That would be about 3.5 jabs per week equating to 700mg/week.

Im still thinking this is too high for test prop, anyone agree or disagree?

Im suprised you decided to go from 250 mgs to 750 mgs, im starting my first course using prop at 400mgs if thats any help, i was going to pin EOD like yourself but Bbrian was unfortunately able to explain to me why its better to pin ED.... lol.... it has its benefits pinning ED, less oil saturation, more chance of stable blood levels therefore less chance of side effects from fluctuations etc, a lot of guys do pin EOD tho so youd probarbly be fine. Its just a point of perfection mate ; )

[BryanS1987]

Your ass/arms where ever u pin are gona be full of holes lol you need to give the area you pin a rest or your body is gona be in agony. And also you dont really seem like you know much, Your saying it is a waste of time taking Test E as it takes to long to kick in this is why you kick start your cycle with something like Anabol, dianabol, this is just a cupple you could take ED for your first 4/6 weeks, Pretty daft not to stack with something else.

[FireGuy]

Enanthate yields around 70% while Prop yields about 83%. So 625 mgs of Prop a week would be really close to 750mgs of Test E.

[DeadlyD]

Your ass/arms where ever u pin are gona be full of holes lol you need to give the area you pin a rest or your body is gona be in agony. And also you dont really seem like you know much, Your saying it is a waste of time taking Test E as it takes to long to kick in this is why you kick start your cycle with something like Anabol, dianabol, this is just a cupple you could take ED for your first 4/6 weeks, Pretty daft not to stack with something else.

Ya or front load with prop

[SHADO]

Your ass/arms where ever u pin are gona be full of holes lol you need to give the area you pin a rest or your body is gona be in agony. And also you dont really seem like you know much, Your saying it is a waste of time taking Test E as it takes to long to kick in this is why you kick start your cycle with something like Anabol, dianabol, this is just a cupple you could take ED for your first 4/6 weeks, Pretty daft not to stack with something else.

Dont really seem like i know much? I know enough buddy, and if you read my previous post i stated i dont want to use multiple compounds, i dont really see the need for my goals...

[SHADO]

Im suprised you decided to go from 250 mgs to 750 mgs, im starting my first course using prop at 400mgs if thats any help, i was going to pin EOD like yourself but Bbrian was unfortunately able to explain to me why its better to pin ED.... lol.... it has its benefits pinning ED, less oil saturation, more chance of stable blood levels therefore less chance of side effects from fluctuations etc, a lot of guys do pin EOD tho so youd probarbly be fine. Its just a point of perfection mate ; )

Yeh it was quite a large jump, but i probably should of done 500mg/week for my first cycle, so 750 would of been the next step, i dont see myself doing over 750mg of test/week, just dont see the need...

And i definitely couldnt pin ed, it would send me nuts i think lol
At this point im thinking of doing 200mg test prop eod

[BBrian]

Yeh it was quite a large jump, but i probably should of done 500mg/week for my first cycle, so 750 would of been the next step, i dont see myself doing over 750mg of test/week, just dont see the need...

And i definitely couldnt pin ed, it would send me nuts i think lol
At this point im thinking of doing 200mg test prop eod

There are many benefits to stacking a short ester with a long ester, and it would be very relevant to your goals. I agree that taking only a long ester has a major drawback as you only see the results for half of the cycle, but this is why we combine two different esters. You can avoid stacking different compounds by simply stacking two different test esters. Begin your cycle with propionate for faster results, run a longer ester throughout the majority of it, then stop with the long ester and pin prop during the last two weeks. This is a very basic protocol that renders consistent gains with fast results and a short gap in between your cycle and PCT.

[SHADO]

There are many benefits to stacking a short ester with a long ester, and it would be very relevant to your goals. I agree that taking only a long ester has a major drawback as you only see the results for half of the cycle, but this is why we combine two different esters. You can avoid stacking different compounds by simply stacking two different test esters. Begin your cycle with propionate for faster results, run a longer ester throughout the majority of it, then stop with the long ester and pin prop during the last two weeks. This is a very basic protocol that renders consistent gains with fast results and a short gap in between your cycle and PCT.

So i would run prop at 150 eod for say the first 4 weeks, then test e from week 5-10, then back to prop for weeks 11 & 12?

Wouldnt the test e still take weeks to kick in when i start it at week 5 though? Sure the test prop will still be in me but it'll be well out of my system by the time the test e kicks in....

[JimmySidewalk]

So i would run prop at 150 eod for say the first 4 weeks, then test e from week 5-10, then back to prop for weeks 11 & 12?

That would be stupid. So you run prop as a kick start because it takes 5 weeks for test e to kick in, but you only start the test e in week 5, so what are you really kickstarting then ? It'll take another 5 weeks on test e to kick in, thus no reason in using prop in the first place. And by the time test e kicks in, you cut it off and switch to prop again. So where's the logic in that ?

Do test e 1-12 and prop 1-5. Simple as that. OR the same thing but replace the last 2 weeks of test e with prop.

[DeadlyD]

That would be stupid. So you run prop as a kick start because it takes 5 weeks for test e to kick in, but you only start the test e in week 5, so what are you really kickstarting then ? It'll take another 5 weeks on test e to kick in, thus no reason in using prop in the first place. And by the time test e kicks in, you cut it off and switch to prop again. So where's the logic in that ?

Do test e 1-12 and prop 1-5. Simple as that. OR the same thing but replace the last 2 weeks of test e with prop.

^^^^^this

[BBrian]

That would be stupid. So you run prop as a kick start because it takes 5 weeks for test e to kick in, but you only start the test e in week 5, so what are you really kickstarting then ? It'll take another 5 weeks on test e to kick in, thus no reason in using prop in the first place. And by the time test e kicks in, you cut it off and switch to prop again. So where's the logic in that ?

Do test e 1-12 and prop 1-5. Simple as that. OR the same thing but replace the last 2 weeks of test e with prop.

It's ok, he's just learning. But yes, you will run the long ester as a base compound from the very beginning, relying on the prop while the enanthate builds up in the beginning. Also, you shouldn't have to run the prop for four weeks, two weeks should suffice, but there's nothing wrong with going a third week either, in my opinion. It will simply lend more gains up front.

[SHADO]

That would be stupid. So you run prop as a kick start because it takes 5 weeks for test e to kick in, but you only start the test e in week 5, so what are you really kickstarting then ? It'll take another 5 weeks on test e to kick in, thus no reason in using prop in the first place. And by the time test e kicks in, you cut it off and switch to prop again. So where's the logic in that ?

Do test e 1-12 and prop 1-5. Simple as that. OR the same thing but replace the last 2 weeks of test e with prop.

Dude you just repeated the exact same thing i said in my previous post:
"Wouldnt the test e still take weeks to kick in when i start it at week 5 though? Sure the test prop will still be in me but it'll be well out of my system by the time the test e kicks in.... "

I said this because this is what it sounded like BBrian was saying in his post:
"Begin your cycle with propionate for faster results, run a longer ester throughout the majority of it, then stop with the long ester and pin prop during the last two weeks."

So what would be more effective, doing a prop + test e cycle, or say a dianobol + test e cycle? Really im just looking for a compound that will kickstart the first 4-5 weeks the test e would be kicking in.

For the test e + Prop cycle i would probly be looking at taking a total of around 750mg/week test:
weeks 1-5: 75mg test prop eod = 262mg test prop/week, 500mg test e/week
weeks 6-12: 750mg/week test e

Only problem i see with that cycle is i'll be pinning almost everyday for the first 5 weeks.

[BG]

Prop is 15% stronger per 100mg.

[BBrian]

So what would be more effective, doing a prop + test e cycle, or say a dianobol + test e cycle? Really im just looking for a compound that will kickstart the first 4-5 weeks the test e would be kicking in.

For the test e + Prop cycle i would probly be looking at taking a total of around 750mg/week test:
weeks 1-5: 75mg test prop eod = 262mg test prop/week, 500mg test e/week
weeks 6-12: 750mg/week test e

Only problem i see with that cycle is i'll be pinning almost everyday for the first 5 weeks.

Pinning every day isn't a problem at all, so long as you understand the numerous places to inject. With experience you won't be worried about it anymore. The cycle you just wrote out is perfect. If you want to replace prop with dbol, you would see similar results overall. Also, if you feel that this is too much test, there's nothing wrong with lowering your doses after the frontload, which again does not have to be five weeks if using propionate.