New Guy Starting First Clen Cycle

[keysrunner]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and just have a couple of questions..
I have searched threads and all over google but it seems as though I'm getting mixed tips..

A little about myself..
5'8" tall 165 lbs I don't do a whole lot of weight training but I exercise a few times a week, most of which is running and plyometrics.. I've been exercising for the last 6 years regularly and cant seem to get rid of the little doughy area around my midsection so I've decided to go on my first clen cycle.

I think I'm going to run my first cycle at
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I've seen where some people say to taper down towards the end, where others say you don't need to. Also I've noticed that taking Benadryl and Taurine is beneficial while on clen, but how much should I be taking?

Another thing I've noticed is that people say to limit your cardio while taking clen. Does this mean that I can't run my typical cardio workout?

Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

[D7M]

Age?

[TFf]

I'm going to start soon also. From what I understand is that you don't need to taper down just up... And the benidryl is does not up regulate your receptors it is ketotifen that "scrubs your receptors" but I did see that benidryl is helpful for sleeping if you experience insomnia while useing. And taurine 3-5g daily to help
With cramping...
Again I haven't used yet but that's all what I understand. Hope it helps, in sure some one with experience will answer too..

[Kansas City Boy]

Just do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off... Keep it simple, You will still see a significant difference. Run an ECA stack on your 2 weeks off between clen cycles.


week 1-2: Clen
week 3-4: ECA stack

Repeat...

Good luck

[keysrunner]

Age?

24

I've read that ECA stacks aren't worthwhile because your receptors can't clear up..

[D7M]

Just do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off... Keep it simple, You will still see a significant difference. Run an ECA stack on your 2 weeks off between clen cycles.


week 1-2: Clen
week 3-4: ECA stack

Repeat...

Good luck

Clen and ECA hit the same (Beta-2) receptors, so it'd be more worthwhile to just pick one or the other, and run Ketotofin as needed.

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I've read that ECA stacks aren't worthwhile because your receptors can't clear up..

What? where did you read that?

I personally prefer ECA to Clen any day, but it's your call.

I've actually seen the opposite. I've seen studies showing the effectiveness of ECA up to 20 weeks.

[evander87]

I don't taper. I ramp it up as I can handle the sides up to 160. For me I took 40 for 2 days, 80 for two days, 120, for 3 days, then 160 for the rest of the two weeks. Then two weeks off. Taurine didn't do crap for me. I bought potassium supplements and that really helped avoid the cramps. I haven't done HIIT cardio but I've been doing LISS cardio like no tomorrow. I'm in the middle of my 1st clen cycle and so far I'm very please with the results. I did start at single digits in my body fat. Hope that helps.

Oh and drink a lot of water. I consume 1.5 - 2 gallons a day. Me and the urinal are great friends.

[keysrunner]

It wont let me post a link.. search for clen faq by perfectbeast2001

I wasn't saying that ECA isn't good. I was saying that using them together wont make much of a difference from just using one. One article on here said that using ECA on your off weeks isn't good because it doesn't allow your receptors to regulate.

[tall76]

Start weight training and Clean up your diet

[keysrunner]

I already have a clean diet..
Typical day:
Egg white omelet (3 eggs) with a dash of pepper
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 Chicken breasts grilled
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 cans of tuna with only pepper
Casein protein before bed

[DeadlyD]

I already have a clean diet..
Typical day:
Egg white omelet (3 eggs) with a dash of pepper
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 Chicken breasts grilled
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 cans of tuna with only pepper
Casein protein before bed

No carbs or veggies?!?

[D7M]

I already have a clean diet..
Typical day:
Egg white omelet (3 eggs) with a dash of pepper
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 Chicken breasts grilled
Protein shake with 30g of protein
2 cans of tuna with only pepper
Casein protein before bed

yah, that diet needs major work.

No carbs, no fats. Just protien. Recipe for disaster.

Hit the nutrition forum asap bro

[tall76]

That's why ur not getting results right there. Add clen or eca whatever you want but if you only eat that you will never make progress. Hit up the diet forum they will help you

[boxin23]

It wont let me post a link.. search for clen faq by perfectbeast2001

I wasn't saying that ECA isn't good. I was saying that using them together wont make much of a difference from just using one. One article on here said that using ECA on your off weeks isn't good because it doesn't allow your receptors to regulate.

I agree 100% check out that clen stuff written by the beast....he doesnt do the 2 on 2 off......his log and results are pretty awesome and his research seems very solid.

But the the poster def get diet in check first...

[slfmade]

Diet needs to be your first concern! Along with Diet....training and increasing your LBM will make a bigger difference than clen or ECA will anyday. I've been around here long enough to know that most new people...don't understand; or most likely just don't wanta hear, that a proper diet and training program are what you need. So with hesitation I'll answer your questions.

IMO it's absolutely pointless to taper down clen. Taper Up...Yes! Down....No!

DO NOT take ECA during your off weeks from clen. Though they act a bit differently they both hit your Beta 2 receptors (B2R's). Without the addition of Keto you need time to upregulate your B2R's and 2 weeks is the popular vote.

Benadryl is useless in upregulation - Keto is what you want, but if this is your first time I would still recommend the 2 week on/2 week off schedule.

As for cardio - Watch your heart rate and don't get to carried away. I prefer low to moderate intensity cardio. Personally I don't think HIT would be a problem as long as you kept a close eye on heart rate, but I would caution against it.

ECA and Clen are different yet similiar. It comes down to a matter of taste. I can tolerate the sides of clen much easier than ECA, some people are the exact opposite so to each their own.

Good Luck and I hope you follow my advice on Diet. To me is sounds like you need to concentrate on increasing your LBM more than dieting down! Just sayin

[AD]

i tot the op is trying to lose fat and stay trim, thats why he is using clen. low carb/low fat diet is good for that right?

[slfmade]

i tot the op is trying to lose fat and stay trim, thats why he is using clen. low carb/low fat diet is good for that right?

Low fat, low carb...isn't a bad way of losing fat, but the problem is the OP has almost zero. No Fat, No carb is always a bad idea. By that rational...why don't we just recommend anorexia! LOL j/K

There's so many other better diet plans out there. CKD, IF, carb cycle, even a simple 40/40/20 is leaps and bounds better than that.

[Julz_W]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.T07uYLSiBOR

I've been basing a cycle off this guy but I'll give the perfect beast a read. I'd rather do a longer cycle but apparently it's a harsh thing to put your system under.

[Julz_W]

Can anyone Pm me the beast FAQ? I've been searching and haven't been able to find it at all.

Cheers

J

[keysrunner]

That's why ur not getting results right there. Add clen or eca whatever you want but if you only eat that you will never make progress. Hit up the diet forum they will help you

this is why i hit the forums before starting my cycle.. i want to make sure im doing things right..
I do eat veggies, carbs and fats on occasion but for the most part I stick with a high protein, low carb diet...
My entire goal is to slim down and get cut up and I'm not too concerned at the moment about building mass

PLEASE if anyone can tell me how I should adjust my diet to get the best results I'm all ears..

[upperhandy]

here

[tall76]

Read the stickies in the nutrition forum and do some work to calculate ur TDEE. Then calculate how many cals ur eating in that diet you posted. It will be apparent you are wayyy below maintenance- this is just slowing down metabolism and telling your body to hold onto that extra few lbs of fat