Cycle Questions

[Mouser]

Okay so im... new. before you try to bash me for asking something thats been answered a thousand times before just know i have done as much research as i can and read most of the newbie threads. ill start with some stats

AGE 21
WEIGHT 170-175
HEIGHT 5' 8"
BF% est 10-13%
SHOE SIZE 12

I have been lifting for a few years off and on and know how to workout. this will be my first cycle.

what ive got=

Anavar~2000mg ~oral

Trenbolone~1500mg w/ 50(50mg)T3 ~injectable

PCT~20(50mg)Clomifene / 25(20mg)Tamoxifen Citrate

my goals are not to gain a ton of weight i used to be 240 and very fat and have trained and worked my ass off to drop all of that. hence you dont see any wet gainers. i dont want water weight. i dont mind putting lean mass on though as long as i get cut but like i said mass is not the objective here.

my plan is to take var at 30mg for 6 weeks then two weeks at 50mg. Tren will be 75mg twice a week for 8 weeks. i suppose my questions are (and please do NOT answer if you do not know what you are talking about) does this sound okay for a cycle? i have krill oil, protein, and plan on ordering liv52 for my liver, but what kind of multivitamins are recommended or work well? also my supplier suggested a 250mg a week pin of test c so my "boys" stay working, if i dont will i lose that much down there or be inactive? and would the test added to all that be a good idea? i just dont want to over do things here and dont wanna blow up that big, or like i already stated put on the weight from the test c. but if the test would be a good idea(even in a smaller dose or less frequent dosage) since these two dont aromatize let me know and suggest a dosage, if you think it would benefit me to add. im really seeking guidance from someone that knows there stuff and isnt crazy(i know guys stacking like 6 diff things that say yea do this do that) but i know its a bad idea and i dont want to destroy my body or take to much. thank you for any help/reply

[Razor]

My advice..your to young too mess with anabolics..wait 5 -7 more years

[grumpee]

First off thats a horrible cycle and second your to young to even think about AAS. Do your self a huge favor and go check out the diet forum and work on your diet. You would be amazed just changing your diet will do. Sorry your to young for me to give cycle advice to. Wait another 4 years and do it right or not at all. I know thats the last thing you want to hear but in the long run you will be better off

[Mouser]

i figured that was the response i would get. i have already purchased them tho. minus the test. so most likely i will do it anyway. smoking is bad for you and everyone knows it yet they still smoke. please treat me equally and do not with hold advice just because of my age. at least i was man enough to list it and be honest. i really want to know why this would be so bad and what changes someone might suggest

[bob87]

smoking 1 pack of cigarettes and your not likely to get cancer, use aas once and your likely to screw yourself up for life do you really want to have a limp dick at such a young age ??? then what will be the point of all the work to look good if you cant keep a wopman happy in bed

[Mouser]

okay everyone just forget about this thread, ive looked to this site for answers in the past and i thought people on here would be more helpful. especially when i finally made the decision but i can see i was wrong. thanks anyways

[The Situation]

okay everyone just forget about this thread, ive looked to this site for answers in the past and i thought people on here would be more helpful. especially when i finally made the decision but i can see i was wrong. thanks anyways

If you really did your research like you said, then you wouldn't be asking. There's plenty of threads on first cycles and plenty of examples on this site. Oh and your too young.

[Mouser]

well if someone could simply give me a good reason. other than the fact that im too young. what the problem with this cycle would be i wont do it. so if you really wanna keep a guy thats "too young" from doing this give him a reason other than his age or a answer that has to do with his age. if i were 28 and wanted to know if this were a good idea what would you honestly say?

[Razor]

Your not 28

Go ahead use the stuff see what happens..when your fcked up and come here crying for help..ill say I told you so

As to your question why besides your age...that's it..your to young and don't need it since your still development in your early teens. Your body is not going to know what to do and have a good chance of being on trt the rest of your life

Third. Your cycle is fcked up var and tren...no test base..that is what's wrong
You know tren carries some of the worst side effects besides anadol right?

You don't know anything about what you are doing..please don't run this cycle..

[grumpee]

Tren is a powerful compound and is not for beginners. It's for experienced users. I will say that much. Keep reading the stickies

whats your diet look like ? whats your macros ?

[FONZY007]

well if someone could simply give me a good reason. other than the fact that im too young. what the problem with this cycle would be i wont do it. so if you really wanna keep a guy thats "too young" from doing this give him a reason other than his age or a answer that has to do with his age. if i were 28 and wanted to know if this were a good idea what would you honestly say?

Mouser I'll give u some Great advice....

I at 20-21 used AAS, Tren, deca, sustanon250 that year..

Age 23-25 looked my best...

Age 26 started to feel tired all the time, found out from my endo that I have low test.. After a year and a half of testing and hoping it will rise I was put on Trt

Trt means testosterone replac?ment therapy

Currently 30 just had left knee surgery and on trt for the rest of my life due to the fact I thought hey I have all the stuff lets just do it when I was 20 years old..

Bro listen to ppl...don't even bother taking anything wait till 25.. Learn from my personal mistakes not just telling you to wait to be an ass!!

[Mouser]

diet i eat either oranges,oatmeal, or a nature valley bar for breakfast. usually a salad with grilled chicked, or a can of soup or something like that. yes i know the soup is bad cause its from a can and full of sodium causing water weight.. but thats getting cut out i thought it was good cuz they have low calories. and thats about it really i eat alotta prunes lol. and snack on nature valley bars and will have a protein shake before bed. idk what macros are.. and you have my word razr and fonzy. i will not run this cycle, ill sell what ive bought, try to get a better meal plan laid out i guess, and start training and learning for future use. i have held on to a fair amount of my muscle from when i stopped really hitting the gym hard now i really just do 400-800pushups a week on my breaks at work some crunches and run. but i have a large stocky frame and everyone tells me im big all the time but its just cuz they are small. will having a larger frame help me retain muscle i add naturally and one day synthetically?

[grumpee]

Word of advice , go spend some time in the diet section. The biggest part of this game is diet/ good luck and smart move on waiting

[xelnaga]

diet i eat either oranges,oatmeal, or a nature valley bar for breakfast. usually a salad with grilled chicked, or a can of soup or something like that. yes i know the soup is bad cause its from a can and full of sodium causing water weight.. but thats getting cut out i thought it was good cuz they have low calories. and thats about it really i eat alotta prunes lol. and snack on nature valley bars and will have a protein shake before bed. idk what macros are.. and you have my word razr. i will not run this cycle, ill sell what ive bought, try to get a better meal plan laid out i guess, and start training and learning for future use. i have held on to a fair amount of my muscle from when i stopped really hitting the gym hard now i really just do 400-800pushups a week on my breaks at work some crunches and run. but i have a large stocky frame and everyone tells me im big all the time but its just cuz they are small. will having a larger frame help me retain muscle i add naturally and one day synthetically?

YIKES! This is hall of shame material. Your training consists of pushups during the week and your biggest meal of the day is a salad with chicken on it.

[FONZY007]

Go hit up the diet section.. There are a ton of pol that will help you out!!

[Mouser]

this forums kinda big where is it located i have been looking. and xelnaga yes it is because if i eat regularly i gain a lot of weight even small meals the size of my fist. two normal meals a day is what i have to do to stay half way healthy looking

[FONZY007]

I believe go to fitness forum than nutrition resources.. That's the way it is on my phone

[bob87]

looks like we have saved someone from a lifetime of regret. diet section bro. and you need to train 3-5 times a week.

[cb714]

I dont even have to read your entire post. All I saw was 21 and tren.

DONT DO IT!

Seriously, DONT DO IT.

Sell them to someone else and recoup your money. Lift for a few more years and when youre around 25 or so, after years of good lifting and gains, then consider taking aas.

[cb714]

Alright, mouser man... went back through and read your post in its entirety and read the follow up posts and it seems you want to know why at your age you shouldnt take aas.

Ok put it like this, Tren is no joke, even for older people let alone a 21 year old. Your body is not done developing until around age 25 give or take a year or so.

Is the tren gonna kill you? No, it's relatively safe to say you wont die from it but I can tell you what will happen. Youre gonna start your cycle, youre gonna start getting all big and ripped.. all the little girlies gonna start coming up to you. Youre gonna get a really fine looking chick that just wants you to f*ck the crap out of her. Youre going to take her home, rip off her clothes and then realize youre d!ck doesnt work...oh whoops.

Then you'll think to yourself, "oh its just the steroids, it will go away when Im done with the cycle". So you continue your tren cycle. Next thing you know you may start lactating from your nipples. Yup, LACTATING as in milk coming out of your tits. Good part is if your fridge runs out of milk you can use your own for your shakes.

So now you finish your cycle. Hopefully you PCT. A month or so goes by and you decide to call that one fine chick again to give it a second shot. You feel good, she comes over, you start going at it again and wait.... no erection! whoah, where did the boner go? A few more weeks go by and you start feeling depressed. You start getting super tired all the time. You cant keep your eyes open in class or work. You look in the mirror and that muscle you worked so hard for starts disappearing and pretty soon youre back to where you started only worse. Now, not only do you not have your size, you also pretty much lost your manhood, your body is no longer producing its own testosterone or very little of it. So you go to the doctor and he tells you that youre going to have to be on TRT the rest of your life just so you can feel normal again. I really hope you have insurance because that sh!t aint cheap either and considering you have to be on it for life, you can imagine the $$$ you're going to spend throughout your lifetime... and all for what? Because you couldnt wait a few years to get started.

Seriously dude. Nobody here is trying to be a d!ck or a smart ass. We are just looking out for you man. Your body produces so much test naturally right now you can easily get ripped with just a little discipline. Eat right, work out right, rest right and you will grow my friend. I promise.

[PARABOLAN]

u shouldnt run Tren on ur 1st cycle..

[stpete]

Too young and terrible cycle for anyone at any age. And no, if you were 28 i would be saying the same thing. Along w/this, go to the Nutritional Forum. That's your best bet right now without the possibility of permanently damaging yourself.