Continuous injection problems. Help advise?

[honda4life]

So I'm using a 125mg prop 75mg tren EOD. Im starting my 4th week of my cycle and the injection sides keep getting more bogus. Glute injections get a little tender then a lump the size of a baseball forms and itches like crazy a couple days so I use a heating pad n it makes it softer and it's gone in 4-5 days. Using a 23x1" and I BELIEVE that's the issue is maybe I'm not getting it far enough into the muscle so it's not absorbing well and sitting in the fat cells? Opinions? I'm getting 2" pins today temporarily till my order of 1.5s comes this week.

DELT INJECTIONS. My first couple weeks were fine. Loved the shoulders but my last inject into each shoulder left a big hard knot, really tight, tender, redness and itchy for about 5 days. Today it's actually sore enough it's gonna be bothersome to bench n work chest. It gets a little warm to the touch as well.

I'm aware there are tons of posts out there but I wanted to detail my PERSONAL issue and get advise on this. IS IT VIRGIN MUSCLE SYNDROME? how many times injecting areas till your body gets accustomed to it? It's all bearable but seriously discouraging since none of my buddies have these issues.

I wouldn't believe think the gear is bunk it's pharma grade stuff but brewed locally by very reputable source that everyone I know uses. PLEASE HELP. ANY antibiotics or things I can do?? VERY sterile while injecting. Alcohol pads new pins every time. Oil under warm water before inject I was told should help but don't seem to.

[ecruz]

what is your cycle history? i mean it seems your right about the "virgin tissue" not for nothing but pinning your self eod aint easy.. though by week four you scar tissue should have built a bit. listen when i pin my glutes i get the same thing a knot, it hurts & its hot for a day or two but it does go away and it does get easier as the cycle goes on guess its part of the game!! imho i would pay close attention to your areas and if it gets worse (fever,infection) or doesnt improve stop your cycle! By the way i use 23g 1" on all my parts and i love them in fact thats my size of choice for over a decade but some people need a longer pin, that may be your case .. best of luck

[gixxerboy1]

Are you just using 4 sites with eod injections?
phamr grade and locally brewed dont go to together. There isnt pharm grade tren. You have ugl so who know with the gear.
how much bf do you have? if you need a 2 inch pin you should be cycling in the first palce

[honda4life]

This is my 1st cycle. I'm about 14%-15%. Yeah I havnt built up the balls to stab my quad yet after I her how bad it hurts since I'm walking around and using legs all day at work. I was also recommended that maybe do ED injections so the amount of gear into one spot isn't so much and absorbs better. And NO I don't need 2" pins they r just avail from a buddy. I'll also try 25x1 pins n see if that helps.

I'm warming the oil under warm water before inject and I push about 1/4cc then wait 10 seconds and do another 14 etc. total inject takes roughly 1:30 to 2min.

I'm 32 220lb and bout 14-15%.

[lovbyts]

First cycle and you are using Test and Tren? Maybe it's just Karma for not listening to all the vets. I'm sure you were told to stick to Test only for 1st cycle.

Havent got up the nerve to do quads? Bigger the muscle the better. I do quads 95% of the time.

[ghettoboyd]

^^^^agreed...time to hit the quads bro and try to move the inlection spots to different places on the delt and glutes if your not cus the scar tissue will develope quickly if you keep jabbing the same spot over and over...

[gixxerboy1]

your injecting to much in to little places. End of story. you dont give each area enough time to absorb everything.

[honda4life]

Yeah I know what's recommended. But like anything else people get a mindset to do things. This was my recommendation by 4-5 really close friends who have been using well over 10 years a piece. I'll give it another week n see if it persist then maybe drop the tren out all together n finish it up with test only. But I'm loving the results do at and the sides aren't unbearable for the results just really annoying. N can't wear a short sleeve shirt at work cause of the swelling n knot on my shoulder lol.

Havnt done quad cause of all the nerves n veins I hear about. I'll start my ED injections with a quad with lower amount n see what happens.

Ecruz thanks for the info. Good to know its fairly normal for injections to lump up even after years of use.

Gixxerboy. What kind of bike u runnin? I lived in ft laud for 3 years and rode a 954 when I was there. Used to ride with legion of doom mc a lot.

[honda4life]

your injecting to much in to little places. End of story. you dont give each area enough time to absorb everything.

But prop and tren are short esters in system for 2-3 days correct? I'm hitting each muscle every 8 days. And my day 4-5 lumps heat n rash I gone. BUT THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. 2cc is too much in one small area.

[gixxerboy1]

quads arent bad. Yes you can get a painful one. I do quads all the time and i maybe get 1 bad out of 75 injections.

no bike right now. I just moved to Fl. But i always had gixxers. Last was a lowered worked 750 with nitrous

[gixxerboy1]

But prop and tren are short esters in system for 2-3 days correct? I'm hitting each muscle every 8 days. And my day 4-5 lumps heat n rash I gone. BUT THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. 2cc is too much in one small area.

the oil still takes time to get absorbed by your body no matter what chemical is in it. You can end up with a sterile abcess from deposits of oil.

[honda4life]

Ok thanks guys. I'm gonna hit quads tomorrow. And try 1cc per spot per day. Rotating glute quads n shoulders.

I'm gonna try 25x1" for delta/quads and 23x1.5 for glutes n see how this goes. I was always weirded out by injecting SO much oil into my shoulders. I'm not a huge guy but at 220 athletic build with good size shoulders I was still thinking it was too much. I'll bump this thread next week after a few injections. Thanks guys I really appreciate it!

[honda4life]

Ive had an F4i, 954RR, 03 gix 750, 05 gix 1000 And currently back to a 01 929 Erion. I'm more stunt style rider than drags or corners. Gix are great bikes too I jut prefer a Honda. S fl is a TRIP. it's a totally diff world from most parts of the country. Great place to visit but could never live there again

[gixxerboy1]

Ive had an F4i, 954RR, 03 gix 750, 05 gix 1000 And currently back to a 01 929 Erion. I'm more stunt style rider than drags or corners. Gix are great bikes too I jut prefer a Honda. S fl is a TRIP. it's a totally diff world from most parts of the country. Great place to visit but could never live there again

mt first bike was an F3. I just prefer something more aggressive. I did alot of street racing, stunts were never my thing

[honda4life]

How r calf injections? If I'm only gonna be injecting 1cc per day total doing ED injects it houldnt be bad huh? I've got seriously massive calves from hockey and sports my whole life.

[gixxerboy1]

never did calves. I do glutes, delts, tri's ,bi's, pecs and quads

[BBrian]

I still experience this from time to time. I think it's nothing more than a matter of not getting the needle deep enough into the muscle. One of the best things you can do is to massage the injection site thoroughly afterwards in order to spread the oil out as much as possible. This will help prevent your problems, even if you happen to accidentally get some of the oil under the skin rather than inside the muscle. And of course make sure that you're only hitting the same site no less than once every 7 days. Full absorption of the oil is paramount.

[honda4life]

Yeah it's about 1 time every 8 days. The glutes I'm really confident that I'm not getting it into the muscle far enough. Gonna give the 1.5s a shot. And a 1" all the way in should be plenty far. I feel if I go further I'll just hit bone or socket lol.

I massage the area for about 5 min and actually apply heating pad for 5-10 min to keep it warm then massage it randomly for a minute or 2 thru out day.

[honda4life]

As far as chest bis n tris I know I'd personally pass out even shoulders I get a little flushed n freak myself out a bit. Shoving a 1" needle in your body is something to adjust to. My chest isn't thick enough yet that's prolly my weakest link.