Question about taking Armidex with TRT

[fossilfuel7]

I have been wondering if I should something like 1 mg of Armidex say once every 8-10 weeks just to keep Estrogen in Check in case the
150mg per week injection of Test is raising it little by little.

I am not under a Doctors supervision or I would ask him.

Would appreciate some opinions.

[dfwo]

What's your estrogen level now?

[devildog1967]

the rule of thumb is 1mg per 100 test per week , splitting the the tab is best as it has a short half life. but you should get your e2 checked first.

[fossilfuel7]

Well, I don't know what my Estrogen levels are..I just don't want them getting high.

I had high levels about three years ago when I had testing done and really low Test levels naturally..so that's why I was a little concerned.

I know an Amateur BB who said he only uses Armidex at .5 mg per week when he goes above 400mg of Gear which is pretty much 6 months out of the year...so I was thinking that 1mg per 100 may be really high.

[zaggahamma]

coming from someone that has played the guessing games with e2

it is best to run bloodwork first of all...there are sites that send you to local labs where rx is not needed...e2 can be tested for under $50 and included in some multi-packagae mens health combinations

if you are still shooting in the dark i wouldnt used the "rule of thumb" dosage theory albeit it could be your dose one day...your bb friend is a good example of keeping e2 in check with even larger doses of test with small doses of arimidex...i would take what he is taking MAXIMUM if i were you as you dont want to yo yo with the e2 either...you could go under a good level for you easily as well

what are you basing the 150mg dose on btw with no doctor? the larger the dose also the possibility of a larger increase to e2 as well..

well...a lil food for thought and i'll bump for more o's

good luck

[HRTstudent]

I wouldn't say do anything until you get blood work.

You should certainly be getting bloodwork if you are on TRT.

Otherwise... you're basically just abusing testosterone at low levels... for I don't know what...

And don't get your TRT advice from amateur bodybuilders, that's only likely to confuse you. They simply use testosterone but that's about all they have in common with TRT.

[fossilfuel7]

coming from someone that has played the guessing games with e2

it is best to run bloodwork first of all...there are sites that send you to local labs where rx is not needed...e2 can be tested for under $50 and included in some multi-packagae mens health combinations

if you are still shooting in the dark i wouldnt used the "rule of thumb" dosage theory albeit it could be your dose one day...your bb friend is a good example of keeping e2 in check with even larger doses of test with small doses of arimidex...i would take what he is taking MAXIMUM if i were you as you dont want to yo yo with the e2 either...you could go under a good level for you easily as well

what are you basing the 150mg dose on btw with no doctor? the larger the dose also the possibility of a larger increase to e2 as well..

well...a lil food for thought and i'll bump for more o's

good luck

Well, I have had my Test level checked 3 times in the past year which is why I started TRT and had all of the symptoms. It was very low for my age.
I decided to go at 150mg per week per the advice of my BB friend.
I just recently had another Blood Test done and my level came back in the normal high range, but not above it. So that must be the right dose for me I would say. I have been doing TRT for 6 months now and don't really have any symptoms of High E..but have also taken 1mg of Armidex once every 6-8 weeks as well.

[fossilfuel7]

I had BW done to confirm I needed TRT and for monitoring as well so I am ok there...just have not gotten BW for Estrogen.

[fossilfuel7]

I wouldn't say do anything until you get blood work.

You should certainly be getting bloodwork if you are on TRT.

Otherwise... you're basically just abusing testosterone at low levels... for I don't know what...

And don't get your TRT advice from amateur bodybuilders, that's only likely to confuse you. They simply use testosterone but that's about all they have in common with TRT.

I had BW done to confirm I needed TRT and for monitoring as well so I am ok there...just have not gotten BW for Estrogen.

[gixxerboy1]

1mg every 8-10 weeks or 1mg every week? I'm confused

[fossilfuel7]

1mg every 8-10 weeks or 1mg every week? I'm confused

Sorry, 1mg of Armidex only once every 8 weeks or so.
Every 8th week I have been drinking 1mg of the liquid Armidex and that is it.

[zaggahamma]

interesting dosing

would like to see your bloodwork based on 150 of test ew and 1mg every 8 weeks of 'dex

but your original post is asking if you should do what you already are doing?

bloodwork is best but i myself dont run it often to say the least ....can you tell us if youve gotten any gains or anything and/or experiencing any negative sides

[steroid.com 1]

Sorry, 1mg of Armidex only once every 8 weeks or so.
Every 8th week I have been drinking 1mg of the liquid Armidex and that is it.

IMO: What's the point as this dosage and schedule as it ain't going to very much if anything...so why take it at all?

Respectfully, can you explain your medical rational for such a protocol especially when you can see that most men here on at TRT protocol that require an AI use it weekly?

[kelkel]

It's not doing anything for you at all. It's got a half life of about 72hrs.

[fossilfuel7]

interesting dosing

would like to see your bloodwork based on 150 of test ew and 1mg every 8 weeks of 'dex

but your original post is asking if you should do what you already are doing?

bloodwork is best but i myself dont run it often to say the least ....can you tell us if youve gotten any gains or anything and/or experiencing any negative sides

My Test level was at 256 out of 400-1200 range before TRT.

My Test level came back at 1024 last week at 150mg per week.

I ran about 600mg for 10 weeks and determined that high doses of Steroids are not for me because my muscle recovery seemed worse and it felt like I was going to have muscle strains every other day and did have a few...so i decided to stick with TRT and never try to cycle again. Some peoples genetics apparently allow them to cycle high doses and pack on much more muscle then normal and help them with muscle recovery....whereas it seemed like it made my recovery worse...never understood that and just let it go and don't care anymore....just sticking with TRT and better sex drive.

Only thing I have noticed is better sex drive and erections.

[fossilfuel7]

IMO: What's the point as this dosage and schedule as it ain't going to very much if anything...so why take it at all?

Respectfully, can you explain your medical rational for such a protocol especially when you can see that most men here on at TRT protocol that require an AI use it weekly?

Well, I was advised on the usage of an AI by an Amateur BB I know who said he didnt get bothered by Estrogen unless he went above 400mg per week..and even at that he would only take .5mg per week with higher doses.

From my research I think taking an AI every week with my low TRT dose would keep my Estrogen to low. I dunno..I guess I fell like if my E is creeping up some that taking 1mg of Adex evry 6 weeks will knock it back down, but in a more subtle way then totally crashing it.

[jamotech]

Well, I was advised on the usage of an AI by an Amateur BB I know who said he didnt get bothered by Estrogen unless he went above 400mg per week..and even at that he would only take .5mg per week with higher doses.

From my research I think taking an AI every week with my low TRT dose would keep my Estrogen to low. I dunno..I guess I fell like if my E is creeping up some that taking 1mg of Adex evry 6 weeks will knock it back down, but in a more subtle way then totally crashing it.

Id say taking 1mg every 6 weeks, 4 weeks, whatever, is the same as not taking it at all.

[dfwo]

why are you even considering taking it if you don't know your E2 levels are high now?

that's like taking insulin because you *could* have diabetes. lol

[zaggahamma]

i know its weird and not helping ALOT but i dont see how taking some is like taking none...the math just doesnt add up

also, btw, ppl take insulin and KNOW they dont have diabetes

[SEOINAGE]

I was going to just start taking ai but then my e2 came back low, good thing I didn't just start it. Taking another e2 test soon since I changed test dose, but you certainly don't want to take it if you don't need it. and like some said, start low because everyone reacts differently.

[zaggahamma]

he's definitely starting low

[jamotech]

i know its weird and not helping ALOT but i dont see how taking some is like taking none...the math just doesnt add up

Taking one 1mg every 6 weeks, at first he said 8-10 weeks, id consider that as taking none in real world terms... but I guess its technically "some"

[zaggahamma]

Taking one 1mg every 6 weeks, at first he said 8-10 weeks, id consider that as taking none in real world terms... but I guess its technically "some"

agreed
No one advised it nor did I but that's what he is doing...we all advised bw
But i sure as hell would love to c bw on that next to nothing dose...it would definitely be a first

[doc w]

Taking one 1mg every 6 weeks, at first he said 8-10 weeks, id consider that as taking none in real world terms... but I guess its technically "some"

IMO taking one every six weeks would cause a rebound effect with e2 where the highs would be higher than if u were not taking an ai at all.

[fossilfuel7]

IMO taking one every six weeks would cause a rebound effect with e2 where the highs would be higher than if u were not taking an ai at all.

I must ask why would you say that? I was under the impression that E levels don't rise overnight especially on TRT doses, but taking Armidex will lower it greatly immediately.
I guess I just need to get BW to be sure anyways.

[doc w]

I must ask why would you say that? I was under the impression that E levels don't rise overnight especially on TRT doses, but taking Armidex will lower it greatly immediately.
I guess I just need to get BW to be sure anyways.

The half life of arimedex is 48-72 hours. If u take 1 mg there would be Negligible amounts at around two weeks. Arimedex is a non suicidal inhibitor so there is a rebound effect after use. Hence the reason it's not great for a pct. however u r right that only bw can tell.

[DaRoq]

I must ask why would you say that? I was under the impression that E levels don't rise overnight especially on TRT doses, but taking Armidex will lower it greatly immediately.
I guess I just need to get BW to be sure anyways.

This was my understanding as well. Reading this thread, I found myself hypothesizing that even if a person's e2 went from 20 to 40-50 over a 6-week period, that would still be within a "safe" range and could possibly be brought back down by a single course of medication. For example, if people are using 0.25mg 2x/week to maintain levels at 20, would 1mg x3 bring levels back to that starting point? It seems plausible since a higher dose (to a certain extent) should inhibit more aromatase, knocking down levels in a shorter amount of time. I'd be interested in seeing how this might work out.

For those who are doing a weekly AI treatment, have you done blood work to confirm you're consistently near your "ideal" number? Or is it possible that it's taking a good amount of time between tests to get there?

[zaggahamma]

now were thinkin

[doc w]

High e2 scares the hell out of me, but I'm paranoid because of previous gyno surgery. It felt like they put my chest through a rolling pin. Mentally I could never play around 1 mg every six weeks. Also the new evidence that high e2 is what makes the prostate and hair follicles sensitive to dht is another reason I'd rather keep it lower, however low e2 def makes one feel like crap.

[ecdysone]

I must ask why would you say that? I was under the impression that E levels don't rise overnight especially on TRT doses, but taking Armidex will lower it greatly immediately.
I guess I just need to get BW to be sure anyways.

I believe for all practical purposes they do rise immediately, 1:1 in step with test levels.

However there are feedback loops (part of the HPTA) including newly produced E2 being bound to SHBG that buffer the effect.

However, the effects of excess E2 don't manifest themselves overnight, so that may be why you are thinking otherwise.

[gmantheman]

I was taking a shot in the dark with liqui dex but it seemed to work. I am taking 150 mg test cyp per. week and I was taking .25 ml of liquid dex about 12-24 hrs after my injections. Latest blood work my test was 1006 (297-1197) and estrogen was 14 (4-72).

[zaggahamma]

I was taking a shot in the dark with liqui dex but it seemed to work. I am taking 150 mg test cyp per. week and I was taking .25 ml of liquid dex about 12-24 hrs after my injections. Latest blood work my test was 1006 (297-1197) and estrogen was 14 (4-72).

wow one .25 mg dose of l-dex and your e2 went to 14?

where was it baseline?

symptoms? gains?

come on man

[gmantheman]

wow one .25 mg dose of l-dex and your e2 went to 14?

where was it baseline?

symptoms? gains?

come on man

I didn't have a baseline (I know big mistake, I should have to have e2 tested or had it tested somewhere else). It wasn't just one .25 mg of l-dex. I was taking .25 ml per week about 12 hrs after my weekly injection of test cyp. I have been doing this for about 12 weeks now. I have to say I don't notice much of anything with the l-dex.

[fossilfuel7]

I didn't have a baseline (I know big mistake, I should have to have e2 tested or had it tested somewhere else). It wasn't just one .25 mg of l-dex. I was taking .25 ml per week about 12 hrs after my weekly injection of test cyp. I have been doing this for about 12 weeks now. I have to say I don't notice much of anything with the l-dex.

Hmmm..interesting that we are taking the exact same does of Test on a weekly basis(150mg) and my level came back almost the same as yours at 1054 out of 400-1200 range.

I am not surprised that your E was that low from just .25 per week. The amatuer BB I know only takes .5mg per week when he goes over 400mg per week.

[zaggahamma]

I didn't have a baseline (I know big mistake, I should have to have e2 tested or had it tested somewhere else). It wasn't just one .25 mg of l-dex. I was taking .25 ml per week about 12 hrs after my weekly injection of test cyp. I have been doing this for about 12 weeks now. I have to say I don't notice much of anything with the l-dex.

i actually WAS assuming the .25mg was weekly (not to confuse with fossil and his 6-8 weeks one pill fix) but still think thats quite a low e2 on those doses
u dont notice with the l'dex how about the testosterone?

[gmantheman]

i actually WAS assuming the .25mg was weekly (not to confuse with fossil and his 6-8 weeks one pill fix) but still think thats quite a low e2 on those doses
u dont notice with the l'dex how about the testosterone?

First two cycles I noticed a strength difference but this time I don't notice too much of a difference. First cycle my total test went from 510 to 1097. I then went to the cream for 6 months and my test dropped to 420. I went back on injections and my test went back up. Next blood draw I opted to pay extra for free test and that came back high 32.7 (8-28.2) I then went off test completely for 8 weeks and after that time my test dropped to 642. I went back on but at a slightly lower dosage. This time I didn't feel the same effect as before.
I never really noticed any bloating or any-other effect of high estrogen.

[jamotech]

agreed
No one advised it nor did I but that's what he is doing...we all advised bw
But i sure as hell would love to c bw on that next to nothing dose...it would definitely be a first

I would too, youd think for the 6-8 weeks time span there will be only 3 days where your E2 would lower, then back to baseline for the next 6-8 weeks?

[zaggahamma]

I would too, youd think for the 6-8 weeks time span there will be only 3 days where your E2 would lower, then back to baseline for the next 6-8 weeks?

I.reckon e2 would never get near baseline..don't know how much it would help as others stated but i honestly would think it to be a bit better than nothing...I wish I could have had bloodwork with the crazy up and down doses I've ran in the past 6 years...almost based on mood how much I wanted to take