ECA Right after Test E?

[Boydson]

Hey guys,
Seeing as this is my first post, I'll start by introducing myself. I'm a 26 y/o male, 5 foot 6, 170 lbs, and about 10% bf.
So right now I'm 6 weeks into a test e cycle at 500mg/wk. I have my diet and my training in check. I've done all my research. I have my PCT protocol prepared. So far I've gained about 11 pounds and a little bit of fat(and water).
Say I wanted to cut all this fat and water weight before summer. I looked into clen and decided it's not for me so I decided I'd run ECA. I've done plenty of research on this as well. My question is how long should I wait to start the ECA after my last pin to minimize loss of gains. I know I have to continue to eat solid for a while, but how long should I wait.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Boydson

[leather daddy]

3 months

[cebby1985]

You can cut fat and water weight by use of a proper duet and Ai while on cycle. You also can run eca while on test as well. No need or reason to wait 3 months if you wsnted to cut.

[leather daddy]

You can cut fat and water weight by use of a proper duet and Ai while on cycle. You also can run eca while on test as well. No need or reason to wait 3 months if you wsnted to cut.

ugh wut?

yes there is a reason.

if he cuts straight after he finishes cycle, whats going to keep him from losing all his gains? To start cutting he will lower his calories when in actual fact he needs to increase them so his body retains as much of the gain made possible.

[cebby1985]

And he can still run eca while on test if he wants to cut on cycle. Running a test only cycle doesn't mean you have to gain water bloat and fat.

[cebby1985]

Not to mention tge fact that if he does a typical length test e cycle, 2 wks off, then pct and waits 3 months, summer will be over. Obviously cutting during pct isn't a good idea but depending on how his body recovers, 3 months after pct is a little excessive especially considering his goals.

And up, if you're really 10%, which I doubt, you should have a pretty dfined set if abs. But by the way you talk about cutting fat I would assume your bulking too dirty or your bf% is a lot higher than you think

[Boydson]

I'm a little over 10% now, I did a dunk tank right before my cycle and I was 10. (I know there is an error margin) I have fairly defines abs to the point I can see my upper obliques without tightening my core at all. And trust me, I'm not on a dirty bulk. I'm just eating enough calories to grow. 10% just isn't good enough for me. I work at a lake all summer and spend lots of time with my shirt off lol. I know its pretty vain to be so determined to lower my BF just for aesthetics, but that's why everyone does it. I was hoping to do my first show this september, so I was hoping to hit 180lbs with the cycle. Cut fat for summer, then lower my weight to 165 for this show. These may be pretty unrealistic goals I know, but I think as long as I keep my diet perfect all summer I should be able to hit it.

[magic32]

You can cut fat and water weight by use of a proper duet and Ai while on cycle. You also can run eca while on test as well. No need or reason to wait 3 months if you wsnted to cut.

^^^That is absolutely correct, on all three points!

ECA in no way interferes with gains during cycle (you're far too anabolic), nor does it hinder keeping them during pct.
If your goal is definition, there's NO reason to wait!

Also, PM me if you need a good ECA website with numerous products and varied combinations.

[Boydson]

So I can continue to eat a calorie surplus, continue to gain muscle, but also lose fat??

[minitourwvu]

ugh wut?

yes there is a reason.

if he cuts straight after he finishes cycle, whats going to keep him from losing all his gains? To start cutting he will lower his calories when in actual fact he needs to increase them so his body retains as much of the gain made possible.

Please stop giving out advice as you have absolutly 0 knowledge. Than you..op i am cutting on pct with clen i am keeping my tdee cals and still losing fat i would say reconsider clen and look at all the positives, also the sides at least for me are not noticible so if that is one of the reasons why you dont want to run cleb id give it a try and see how you react.

[Boydson]

It's really that good huh? Maybe I'll do some more research and reconsider. I appreciate your honest answer

[leather daddy]

wtf are u on about u idiot? ZERO knowledge. Your body needs to adjust to the new muscle your holding. Start dropping ur calories u tool and ur going to lose most of ur gains. Calories need to be higher than during cycle so your body can adjust. Just ask marcus300. If i remember correctly even he even stated a few months so your body can adjust.

Before you have a go at someone make sure u have something to back it up u fool

[leather daddy]

your HPTA needs a chance to recover

[leather daddy]

refer to this thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-start-cutting

[leather daddy]

eca is used for cutting, so cutting is cutting. Cutting means losing bodyfat, losing bodyfat means dropping ur calories, u do the matth t

[The Titan99]

wtf are u on about u idiot? ZERO knowledge. Your body needs to adjust to the new muscle your holding. Start dropping ur calories u tool and ur going to lose most of ur gains. Calories need to be higher than during cycle so your body can adjust. Just ask marcus300. If i remember correctly even he even stated a few months so your body can adjust.

Before you have a go at someone make sure u have something to back it up u fool

He's right. You are a fool. I've read quite a few of your posts and they are, as a whole, moronic. I suggest more reading less typing...

[leather daddy]

lol how is that not right?

[The Titan99]

Because, the use of ECA and Clen is specifically for the purpose of running maintenance calories or a little higher and lose excess body fat while maintaining muscle mass. So, cutting is not necessarily cutting. What your handing out is misinformation and is therefore not right. Sorry for calling you a fool though.

[leather daddy]

Because, the use of ECA and Clen is specifically for the purpose of running maintenance calories or a little higher and lose excess body fat while maintaining muscle mass. So, cutting is not necessarily cutting. What your handing out is misinformation and is therefore not right. Sorry for calling you a fool though.

i apologise if i stated wrong information, the only way i thought is best is your body needs calories to retain gains so if u drop them to soon you will lose them.

[minitourwvu]

i apologise if i stated wrong information, the only way i thought is best is your body needs calories to retain gains so if u drop them to soon you will lose them.

Like i said, stop giving out advise you think its correct. You are a mess all over your post, when you cut it doesnt mean you are cutting fat and muscle, it either means you are upping your cardio to aid fat loss, or in the op case eca or clen he would be able to eat surplus cals, and still be able to cut fat while maintaining muscle and building muscle, you are new to the world of bb kid, i been around it my whole life so stop trying to missinform people about how to use aas, what aas to use, and contradict other people.and one last thing neither does clen or eca have any suppression on the hpta so once again stop giving wrong information.

[Panterror]

im am also interested in this. would starting an eca stack or possibly clen (have used before, not overly impressed) towards the end of a 10wk test e cycle and through the 2 weeks after b4 pct be beneficial?