First usage (Test Cyp / Equi and Tren stack)

[Chiron]

Hi All,

One of my first posts here, mostly read in the past but would like some advice from the experienced users in here. I hope to make this my home.
I've searched around for similar threads but can't find anything on the stack I would like to take. I'm sorry about the long post but I"d rather provide all the facts and be comprehensive so that those who are kind enough to provide advice know the full picture:

Background and Body Specs:
I'm 28 and have been training for about 2.5-3 years now. I've seen very decent gains on various supplements, i slowed down the training about 6 months ago due to work and have been back training hard for about 2 months now. Still feel like my fitness is not where i want it to be but I can do 20-30min on the rower at 2:05/500m at 18spm easily.
I'm 201cm ( I think this is 6"6) and weigh just under 120kg. I think my BF is quite high, not sure what but maybe around 18-22%
I've been considering taking a course of anabolic steroids for a month or so and have been preparing my diet in advance and it is generally good but I plan to minimize carbs in the evening

My Goals and Training:
I train in the evenings and I'm not going to post my whole workout here but it's pretty standard - Some changes have been made to mix it up and taking into account progressive overload. I'd like to do more compound exercises and really improve on my pull-ups / push-ups and squat. For the first 1.5-2 years of my training I didn't even do legs.
My goals are to lean out and lose some of the fat around my stomach area and hips where it is has proven to be stubborn in the past. I have also found that my chest lags in development as compared to my arms or shoulders and I would like to get some results there.

In total I'd like to drop my bodyfat while improving vascularity / lean muscle and even some size on specific areas.

My Recommended Stack:
One of the elements that pushed me over the edge was the guaranteed ability to source authentic materials as I have a friend who is a pharmacist. He also trains very hard and has recommended a stack of the following for me:
1ml of Testosterone Cypionate (Testaplex C200)
1ml of Trenbolone Enanthate (Trenaplex E200)
1ml of Boldenone Undecylenate aka Equipoise (Equiplex 200)
The following to be taken twice weekly (Monday and Thursday) after training / before bedtime
I've also been provided with a box of Tamoplex (Tamoxifen citrate) for PCT and some Clomid (Not sure if both are to be taken simultaneously)

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Primarily I'd like advice on my stack based on my goals and training also considering this is the first time I am taking anabolic steroids.
One other concern I have is what should I do if i encounter symptoms during my stack / cycle - What symptoms would be mild enough to continue as compared to what symptoms should mean 'Stop and go see a doc'

[PARABOLAN]

I really believe u should do a test only or a test/eq cycle as ur first cycle, do not use tren yet...

[Chiron]

Thanks for the advice Parabolan. I did actually have some doubts about the Tren(e) as a first stack as the research I've done shows that it can be a harsh drug with a variety of potential side effects. Additionally if you experience side effects you may not know whether the test or tren is causing it. I was recommended the stack and I thought that Tren(e) should be a better choice than the acetate due to the lower content but the longer half life has some concerns.

Apparently first time users see very decent results with the test alone. Maybe I should take your recommended approach. My question is that what is your reasoning behind not taking tren? The dosage I was recommended was 1ml - From what I've read online the standard dosage is between 200mg-1400mg - I have no idea how to do the mg-ml conversion here as you can't always just use 1:1

Looking forward to your response

[Chiron]

Sorry to everyone who's read this sort of thread before. I'm really nervous about starting with and although I've done much research I feel like i know very little. I'd really appreciate any tips from anyone who has done similar cycles and I hope to give back to the forum with my own knowledge and experience

[BigGuy90]

The mg/ml conversion is simple. It should say on the bottle like 200mg/ml or 250 or w.e. That means it is 200mg per 1ml. So each ml has 200mg of test in it. You should not be taking a cycle if you think your bf is too high because more bf=more of a chance of bad sides coming from the roids. Tren as your first go around is never recommended and a simple test cycle should suffice as a first time

[Chiron]

Thank you so much BigGuy90. I missed that on the bottle. The bottle says 10ml Multi Dose Vial and 200mg Boldenone Undecylenate per 1ml. That makes sense then.
This is 400mg per week. Is this high?

The logical way I am thinking is as follows: If i am going to get say "X" results from Test + Tren + Equi and then if i remove Tren i get X-20% I am happy with that. Even X-30%. But if I am going to get X-50% then the scales may tip.
My thinking about anabolics is that I need to avoid using it in the long term. I have no intentions of doing say more than 2 cycles. To me it is a lesser of two evils. What do you think?

*EDIT* On the Body Fat. I may have exagerrated my Body Fat. I think maybe around 18% as my diet has been pretty clean 2 months now. I just find that I am have difficulty dropping the stomach fat. I agree that maybe there is a more "ideal" time but if I go thinking like that it is doubtful that I will ever find a "perfect" time.

Do you have any other recommendations / suggestions based on my other stack / questions?

[BigGuy90]

If you could post up a pic the members here can give you a rough estimate on your bf man. EQ in my opinion and to many other members is useless and you should drop it. Quality lean muscle you should go with winny or var if your dead set on running a cycle as you will like the results better, and price will most likely be a lot less than buying a vial. BUT at 400mg/week that 10ml vial will last you 5 weeks. What is your proposed length of the cycle?

[Chiron]

Just took a picture now on auto timer. Not the best but looking at it myself it looks like i'm quite high BF
Feel embarrassed to show the picture but what the hell...

Prior to starting training was about 80kg and 201cm tall in the past.

My proposed length is 10 weeks - I've been told that 15 week is the maximum but I'd rather keep it shorter and go straight to PCT

[gixxerboy1]

the cycle is bad for so many reasons. First of your friend is a phamracist means nothing considering tren and eq arent for human use. So its nothing he learned about.
You shouldnt stack on a first cycle. If you get side effects what compound is causing it and what do you do to stop the side effects?
Tren is way to harsh for you.

Eq yields pretty much nothing and at that does you will be spending money and injecting oil for absolutely nothing.
Why dont you post your diet. With out a good diet your not going to get the results you want steroids or not

your well over 20% bf

[Capebuffalo]

Test only for a first cycle. If you are eating correctly 500mgs per week of test will give you great gains. Tren is an advance user steroid. Also:

I've also been provided with a box of Tamoplex (Tamoxifen citrate) for PCT and some Clomid (Not sure if both are to be taken simultaneously)

Can you be a little more specific on your pct plan? Amount and length. And yes run both together.

[songdog]

You need road work bro not aas.And your friend dont know sh1t about cycling.

[Chiron]

Thanks for all the responses. I've been off for a while and gained back quite a bit what I lost but traditionally I have found it difficult to drop weight.

My diet is pretty much a constant for a while now:

Breakfast 7:30am
5 Egg whites
Oats with Milk
About 500ml water (Sometimes with a bit of juice diluted)
Maybe a fruit like banana or apple if I'm feeling hungrier

Snack 10am
Sometimes I snack late (depends on how busy I am) at around 11am
MRP Shake with either:
Sandwich (Usually peanut butter + syrup sometimes) or Tuna Sandwiches

Lunch - Around 2pm
Usually rice (Brown or white) with chicken breasts (2x) or with Tuna (Depends if I made chicken the night before)
Sometimes 1x boiled egg

Pre-Gym:
I sometimes skip this meal if i'm too busy but for a while now I've put a MRP in here + snack (Maybe some nuts)

Gym Usually around 7:30pm

Dinner:
Salad / Vegetables + Fish / Chicken (Grilled Steamed)
Used to have a lot of rice / carbs for dinner which I think was part of the problem.

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I discussed the matter with my friend and he said that the Tren is 1ml twice a week for 5 weeks to "kick start" the cycle. Doesn't make that much sense to me so I am considering the Test + Equi as the first usage.
All responses appreciated

[Chiron]

Forgot to mention PCT Plan I've kinda put this together from researching and reading some ebooks on Anabolics.
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20mg Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) per day for Week 1-5/6 - I've read that you should do 40mg for a week or two and then 20mg but I've also found some articles that say smaller amounts of tamoxifen (5-10mg are very effective)
50mg Clomid for Week 1-5 as well
Other OTC items I am looking at is things like milk thistle (during course) and then just heathly diet, harder than ever training and cardio.
There is a nice product called "Recycle" by I think Purus Labs which I am considering taking as well. I am not sure of the exact mechanism of action but it claims to decrease SHBG and restore the HPT Axis

They also have a product called "Organ Shield" which I Am considering purchasing when i commence the cycle

[DamageDealer]

steroids won't do shit for you bro, you're way too fat, sorry. you're like 25-27% bodyfat at least. you won't see the difference from using AAS visually, plus you'll be a thousand times more prone to harsh estrogenic side effects such as gyno, water retention and acne. you'll ruin your body completely with gear if you do it now. lose around 12% bodyfat, then come back and we'll talk. good luck