the obesity problem..

[drake25]

so i havent done much research on this particular aspect of this problem, so i would like to hear what you guys think about this specific problem on obesity.

if someone is obese, lets say a 25 year old person (guy or girl) that is 5'9 275 pounds says they cannot loose the weight no matter what they do, any truth here?

i always watch these documentaries or news stories where a generally young person who is obese or morbidly obese cannot loose weight no matter what they do (including intense exercise/ strict diet)

do you guys call bullsh*t?

or is there something along the lines of a genetic barrier preventing substantial weight loss? or is it just a consistency problem (aka. being fat and lazy)?

[Mark5]

I think some people can have hormonal or endocrine related reasons why they can't lose weight. Other than that, I can't think of a reason why a person can't lose a reasonable amount of weight with a reasonable amount of effort. I love (hate) seeing shows or commercials that claim that "diet and exercise just weren't enough." That's pure BS. Just like a lot of the people that come on this site thinking that their diet and exercise is on point, yet when they write it out, it looks horrid.

[gixxerboy1]

i think the % of people with a real health problem that may stop them from loosing weight is very small.
Everyone wants instant gratification. They diet and goto the gym for 2 weeks and feel like they killed themselves and loose just a couple lbs. So most give up

[Gaspari1255]

i think the % of people with a real health problem that may stop them from loosing weight is very small.
Everyone wants instant gratification. They diet and goto the gym for 2 weeks and feel like they killed themselves and loose just a couple lbs. So most give up

Yes. Some have to work harder than other. I know, life isn't fair...

[gixxerboy1]

come on Bronzer where is your quote. obesity doesnt run in you family.......

[Shol'va]

I think the problem is that people use food as a drug. When we are lonely we eat, sad we eat, happy we eat. And when we eat it the foods we choose to stuff in our mouths. They are our comfort foods. And in todays society, it is so hectic and fast paced we tend to eat prepared junk instead of going home and preparing meals that are healthy. And yes there are a few unfortunate folks who have an inbalance in their system causing their obesity, but they are few. We need only look to shows like the biggest loser to see that weight can come off when forced to do so. So I call BS to most of those who claim they can't lose. I'll bet if we saw a weekly printout of their foods they consume and the quantity we would see the pattern of their weight gains. And unfortunately soda pop is one of the biggest weight gainers and I love my mexican coke made with real cane sugar in 12 ounce glass bottles. But I limit myself on it to one a week.

[gixxerboy1]

Yes. Some have to work harder than other. I know, life isn't fair...

but maybe they should have thought about it before they were 120lbs over weight. Maybe if they got off there ass at 50lbs overweight it wouldnt be as hard

[Gaspari1255]

I think the problem is that people use food as a drug. When we are lonely we eat, sad we eat, happy we eat. And when we eat it the foods we choose to stuff in our mouths. They are our comfort foods. And in todays society, it is so hectic and fast paced we tend to eat prepared junk instead of going home and preparing meals that are healthy. And yes there are a few unfortunate folks who have an inbalance in their system causing their obesity, but they are few. We need only look to shows like the biggest loser to see that weight can come off when forced to do so. So I call BS to most of those who claim they can't lose. I'll bet if we saw a weekly printout of their foods they consume and the quantity we would see the pattern of their weight gains.

I agree and disagree with this at the same time, because I have been in both situations. Lately, when I get upset, lonely, or sad - I can barely eat one meal a day. I just sit in my bed, lock myself in my room, and avoid the entire world and try to associate with as little people as possible. I've gotten so depressed before that I've gone days without eating..On the other hand, when I am really stressed or upset, sometimes I just gorge and gorge, until I can't eat any more.

[Gaspari1255]

come on Bronzer where is your quote. obesity doesnt run in you family.......

I hate when people say "obesity runs in my family" no - the problem is that NO ONE runs in your fvckin' family!

[V-ROID]

I hate when people say "obesity runs in my family" no - the problem is that NO ONE runs in your fvckin' family!

Diet is what runs in families.

And the answer to the original question is simple. Wheat.

[rippedfromabove]

See it has to do with dedication aloota times. Let me elaborate. PEOPLE GO TO THE GYM TO LOSE WEIGHT AROUND SUMMER TIME USUALLY. THIS IS JUST SO THEY CAN LOOK GOOD ON THE BEACH. In that case, 98% of them will fail , as that small reason would get you past so many hours of cardio,pounds of broococli and chicken.
Add all of that to the fact that alot of people dont know what the hell they are doing, and its a recipe for failure.

[Shol'va]

but maybe they should have thought about it before they were 120lbs over weight. Maybe if they got off there ass at 50lbs overweight it wouldnt be as hard

At my docs office he has a chart that shows if you are 50 and older and weigh in at 200 or above you are considered morbidly obese. Of course this is for those who are packing on only fat and not all muscle. But this is the typical American male. That's scary.

[spywizard]

young people???

look at the parents, it's environmental and thus a learned "trait"..

just my observation..

[Shol'va]

young people???

look at the parents, it's environmental and thus a learned "trait"..

just my observation..

I think your onto something. I'm not sure about environmental, but definitely a learned trait.I look at the parents who are over weight and the children more likely than not are as well. But again I also think that soft drinks play a large part in it all as well. They are more prevalent than water. And kids just don't drink water without a fight. And look at the commercials on tv at any given time. It's all about coke, pepsi, taco bell, pizza hut.......

[kif]

I hate when people say "obesity runs in my family" no - the problem is that NO ONE runs in your fvckin' family!

I always point out the amount of obese people to my wife when we go out, my insurance premiums keep going up because of their fat asses. America is getting fatter and fatter by the freaken year. I'm so sick of hearing I can't exercise because I'm sick, bull crap your sick because your so damn fat. PUT THE TWINKIE AND CAN OF SODA DOWN!!!!!!

[JD250]

Most people have no fvcking idea what they eat, ask anyone you know to make a list of what everything they ate yesterday, and what the values associated with those foods are and how much food THEY should be eating everyday......99% of people are total idiots about food, hell some of us DO know how to do it right and look at what we end up eating when we get lazy. Also, most people don't have a clue what it's like to actually work hard whether it be at work or in the gym or whatever.

[Gaspari1255]

Even though I am in my early 20s, I am going to sound like an old man here....


It's this god damn generation, it's doomed and hopeless in so many ways. Things that USED to matter most to people have gone out the window. Family, Relationships, Love, HEALTH are no longer priorities taken serious in life. I don't get along with most people my age because no one really care or focuses on what matters most in life, or understand how the choices you make now will shape your life forever. Society and media influences people or makes them think it's acceptable to cheat on their partners, or have sex with multiple people, because it's a trend or due to some serious insecurities. Just like society makes it acceptable to eat whatever the fvck you want and not worry about your health down the road. People are not so family oriented any more, everyone is all about themselves. I'd be willing to bet that VERY few people actually have family dinners and events together, which lead to more people eating fast food or a box of pop tarts because it's easy and convenient. Women think it's okay to post borderline naked photos of themselves on social networks, because it will get them a lot of attention, and other girls are doing it too. Our society is such a mess and headed in the absolutely wrong direction with youngin's such as myself. It really makes me sick and I wish I grew up in the 70s or 80s.

[Gaspari1255]

Even though I am in my early 20s, I am going to sound like an old man here....


It's this god damn generation, it's doomed and hopeless in so many ways. Things that USED to matter most to people have gone out the window. Family, Relationships, Love, HEALTH are no longer priorities taken serious in life. I don't get along with most people my age because no one really care or focuses on what matters most in life, or understand how the choices you make now will shape your life forever. Society and media influences people or makes them think it's acceptable to cheat on their partners, or have sex with multiple people, because it's a trend or due to some serious insecurities. Just like society makes it acceptable to eat whatever the fvck you want and not worry about your health down the road. People are not so family oriented any more, everyone is all about themselves. I'd be willing to bet that VERY few people actually have family dinners and events together, which lead to more people eating fast food or a box of pop tarts because it's easy and convenient. Women think it's okay to post borderline naked photos of themselves on social networks, because it will get them a lot of attention, and other girls are doing it too. Our society is such a mess and headed in the absolutely wrong direction with youngin's such as myself. It really makes me sick and I wish I grew up in the 70s or 80s.

[Nicotine]

excuses excuses.

even IF someone has a hormone problem/genetics or some kind of limitation, anyone can do it if they put their mind to it.

i find most people always pass blame, or it's not their fault for whatever reason.

[rippedfromabove]

Even though I am in my early 20s, I am going to sound like an old man here....

It's this god damn generation, it's doomed and hopeless in so many ways. Things that USED to matter most to people have gone out the window. Family, Relationships, Love, HEALTH are no longer priorities taken serious in life. I don't get along with most people my age because no one really care or focuses on what matters most in life, or understand how the choices you make now will shape your life forever. Society and media influences people or makes them think it's acceptable to cheat on their partners, or have sex with multiple people, because it's a trend or due to some serious insecurities. Just like society makes it acceptable to eat whatever the fvck you want and not worry about your health down the road. People are not so family oriented any more, everyone is all about themselves. I'd be willing to bet that VERY few people actually have family dinners and events together, which lead to more people eating fast food or a box of pop tarts because it's easy and convenient. Women think it's okay to post borderline naked photos of themselves on social networks, because it will get them a lot of attention, and other girls are doing it too. Our society is such a mess and headed in the absolutely wrong direction with youngin's such as myself. It really makes me sick and I wish I grew up in the 70s or 80s.

I couldnt agree more. I would add education to that list. People arent caring anymore. The "idgaf" epidemic is spreading. Sadly, its beyond fixable..

[doxmaster]

I agree with all of this fat peoiple have been taught that its socially acceptable to be fat hell there even rewarded disabillity for it and everyone has to just be quiet be god forbid you hurt some god damn disgusting landwhales feeling. I mean look at grocery stores you have fat people riding around on motorized scooters to get there food ( and when I say around I mean there litterally engulf the whole fvcking thing ) like wtf man you can walk its not like the exercise will kill you. We cater to these people by putting scooters in every store and allowing the non disabled fat people to use them and then opening up places like planet fatness and giving them free pizza and making them feel good by allowing them to think that there working out .

god damn you got me fired up now

[gixxerboy1]

my wife brought up a point the other day that pissed her off. When you go to the airport the weigh you luggage, Now my wife brings a lot of clothes and stuff. So she has to be extra money for a bag being over the 40lb limit. But someone can have a bag thats 38lbs and the person can weigh 200lbs more then my wife and not have to pay an extra fee. How does that make sense.

[kif]

This is unreal!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity..._United_States

[doxmaster]

This is unreal!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity..._United_States

we don't have enough copies of atkins or nearly enough harpoons

WERE FVCKED!!!!!!

[kif]

we don't have enough copies of atkins or nearly enough harpoons

WERE FVCKED!!!!!!

Good thing the government is so focused on busting ass users. They're focused in the right direction!!!! Let's go after the people that take care of there body!!

[doxmaster]

Good thing the government is so focused on busting ass users. They're focused in the right direction!!!! Let's go after the people that take care of there body!!

I think you mean aas

[lovbyts]

i think the % of people with a real health problem that may stop them from loosing weight is very small.
Everyone wants instant gratification. They diet and goto the gym for 2 weeks and feel like they killed themselves and loose just a couple lbs. So most give up

Thanks for saving me the time to type out the same thing. I agree 100%
Everyone like to blame a thyroid or genetics when it boils down to getting off their buts and doing something on a daily basis and not to expect it to happen overnight. It's proven time after time will all these FAT people who make a change in life and get out and start moving. It may take a year or more to see any results but you didnt put on all that weight overnight either, right?

I hate when people say "obesity runs in my family" no - the problem is that NO ONE runs in your fvckin' family!

I heard that saying a while back and put it on my list of favorite saying and smart ass responses when I hear someone say something like that. Good call.

[lovbyts]

Even though I am in my early 20s, I am going to sound like an old man here....


It's this god damn generation, it's doomed and hopeless in so many ways. Things that USED to matter most to people have gone out the window. Family, Relationships, Love, HEALTH are no longer priorities taken serious in life. I don't get along with most people my age because no one really care or focuses on what matters most in life, or understand how the choices you make now will shape your life forever. Society and media influences people or makes them think it's acceptable to cheat on their partners, or have sex with multiple people, because it's a trend or due to some serious insecurities. Just like society makes it acceptable to eat whatever the fvck you want and not worry about your health down the road. People are not so family oriented any more, everyone is all about themselves. I'd be willing to bet that VERY few people actually have family dinners and events together, which lead to more people eating fast food or a box of pop tarts because it's easy and convenient. Women think it's okay to post borderline naked photos of themselves on social networks, because it will get them a lot of attention, and other girls are doing it too. Our society is such a mess and headed in the absolutely wrong direction with youngin's such as myself. It really makes me sick and I wish I grew up in the 70s or 80s.

If I had ever had an issue with you or anything you said (I havent btw) my opinion of you would have just gone up 200% You are not alone with your good values and understanding it's just the same as ever generation before you, it's the idiots that stand out and people mostly see. It's still refreshing to see positive thinkers like yourself and knowing it's people like you who will mostly be in control in the future and not only the idiots or entitled generation.

Trust me, people felt the same way in the 70s-80s thinking it was all doomed and worse than before. I'm not saying it's not worse but there are still a lot of good people who will help keep things in order more or less like yourself. Ill try to not mess up to much more with the time I have left here for you. I'm off to go look for some of those 1/2 naked girls on the social media sites now.

[Kingweb50]

If you want to see a interesting video on the subject look up "how bad science and big business created the obesity epidemic" its kind of long but worth watching.

[lovbyts]

If you want to see a interesting video on the subject look up "how bad science and big business created the obesity epidemic" its kind of long but worth watching.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory...... but that doesn't mean it's not true.

[DSM4Life]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17585734

[Honkey_Kong]

What I want to know is how many people 50-100 years ago had a thyroid problem that made them fat compared to today.

People today are not raised to have any self-control. You become a drug-addict or a drunk. It's not your fault, you just have a disease. Fat? You've got a disability and a disease. There is no point in having self-control, because nobody takes responsibility for themselves.

And on top of that we bend over backwards to accommodate them. The worst thing you could give an obese person is a handicap sticker. Now they get to do even less walking. It just further perpetuates the problem

I blame parents though. It's a parent's job to raise their kids to have healthy eating habits. In fact, parents are criticized for trying to teach their kids not to overeat.

http://news.yahoo.com/forcing-7-old-...162200716.html

[RaginCajun]

my wife brought up a point the other day that pissed her off. When you go to the airport the weigh you luggage, Now my wife brings a lot of clothes and stuff. So she has to be extra money for a bag being over the 40lb limit. But someone can have a bag thats 38lbs and the person can weigh 200lbs more then my wife and not have to pay an extra fee. How does that make sense.

that's a great point gixx, weight is weight.

[lovbyts]

my wife brought up a point the other day that pissed her off. When you go to the airport the weigh you luggage, Now my wife brings a lot of clothes and stuff. So she has to be extra money for a bag being over the 40lb limit. But someone can have a bag thats 38lbs and the person can weigh 200lbs more then my wife and not have to pay an extra fee. How does that make sense.

Good point, tell her next time to just put it under her shirt and pretend she is FAT or like I saw in a movie once they just put it ALL on. Imagine, 10+ shirts, 3 coats, several skirts, pants and shoes hanging around your neck.

[SEOINAGE]

I call bull shit for the most part. You can still lose body weight even with poor functioning of thyroid and other hormones, although it may be harder to lose body fat as opposed to lbm. Like has been said people want instant gratification. Its like the kid that says no matter what he does he can't gain weight, you know the kid who has the terrible training protocol, and eats a few massive meals but misses meals cause he's not hungry.

Most of the people trying to lose weight are doing something that isn't sustainable, gain the few lbs they lose back and then some, take an approach using aerobics or some other latest exercise fads, these were created to make people money and keep them having to come back. The whole fitness boom of the 80s was based on this, and america just getting fatter and them capitalizing on it. So with a proper training protocol, and realistic diet, comes down to education like waht was also posted, but who is doing the educating, so much bs information out there. I would condone some more drastic measures if the person is more obese, but it eventually needs to be tapered into something more reasonable, including things like proper weight training, and getting their body to a point where they don't have to do all the excess crazy stuff to maintain. I feel bad for all the people on their rat wheel having to do it over and over again, and going no where in the long run.

[RaginCajun]

i look at the show, the biggest loser. those people are real obese and are pushed to their limits by great trainers. i know it is a TV show but it just goes to show that with hard work, dedication, diet and exercise, one can lose weight.

[JD250]

What I want to know is how many people 50-100 years ago had a thyroid problem that made them fat compared to today.

People today are not raised to have any self-control. You become a drug-addict or a drunk. It's not your fault, you just have a disease. Fat? You've got a disability and a disease. There is no point in having self-control, because nobody takes responsibility for themselves.

And on top of that we bend over backwards to accommodate them. The worst thing you could give an obese person is a handicap sticker. Now they get to do even less walking. It just further perpetuates the problem

I blame parents though. It's a parent's job to raise their kids to have healthy eating habits. In fact, parents are criticized for trying to teach their kids not to overeat.

http://news.yahoo.com/forcing-7-old-...162200716.html

VERY TRUE!!! I frickin hate people who blame their problems on other things or people and then do absolutely nothing to remedy the situation. Lazy pricks! When I was a boy I used to think my old man was a first class prick, us boys couldn't buy a break with that man, work, work, work ... and it would be ill advised to complain about it, we were taught that we were responsible for our actions and would damn well be held accountable for them, we weren't concerned about inconveniences and setbacks we were taught to handle any situation without causing a stir about it. I need to call my dad and tell him thanks for teaching me to NOT be a lazy bastard like so many today, I sure hated it at the time but I think that sort of teaching is important and near as I can tell there are very few of us left that teach our kids the same ways.

[dumbtoad]

There is absolutely no excuse to be obese. As its been said...society is getting fatter and fatter. Excuse after excuse after another. Its sad and disgusting.

[Gaspari1255]

I used to be fat fvck my whole life growing up. I always blamed my "fat" family for giving me shitty genetics. When I actually started to diet and work out, I was amazed at how fast I saw change.

First picture is me when I was 16, 260lbs with a 44" waist, sitting around 30%bf.
Second and third pictures is me when I was 20, 220lbs, with a 31" waist, sitting around 10%bf.

(right now I'm around 250lbs at 15% bf and feel like a fat fvck again, just started cutting yesterday..)

[Gaspari1255]

If I had ever had an issue with you or anything you said (I havent btw) my opinion of you would have just gone up 200% You are not alone with your good values and understanding it's just the same as ever generation before you, it's the idiots that stand out and people mostly see. It's still refreshing to see positive thinkers like yourself and knowing it's people like you who will mostly be in control in the future and not only the idiots or entitled generation.

Trust me, people felt the same way in the 70s-80s thinking it was all doomed and worse than before. I'm not saying it's not worse but there are still a lot of good people who will help keep things in order more or less like yourself. Ill try to not mess up to much more with the time I have left here for you. I'm off to go look for some of those 1/2 naked girls on the social media sites now.

Thank you sir. We will never have issues with one another being that we both sympathize with each other knowing that dealt with the psychotic girlfriends accusing us of cheating 24/7 and wanting to stab us in our sleep !