Cycle help...any and all suggestion welcomed

[G86]

Hi everyone I would like some input and help on my next cycle, but first a bit about my self. I am 6'4", Current weight is 230 lbs current body fat is roughly 13-15%, I've been weight training on and off for 10 years have been dedicated for the last 3. I have done 8 cycles previously so I am experienced but getting a second opinion never hurts and I always plan my cycles out thoroughly.
I am currently injured sustained a right ankle sprain very bad so i am nursing in back to health before hitting this cycle up. I am a big fan of tren e and eq var and Whinny with my usual test as the base either test e or t400, I have taken sust before too. My next cycle I plan on taking a break from tren to let my receptors renew. My next is looking something like this

20 week length
Deca 300 1ml twice a week 600mg/week
Eq 300 1ml twice a week 600mg/week
Sustanon 250 1ml three times a week 750mg/week
Anavar 50mg everyday
Whinny 50mg everyday or tbol 50mg everyday???

Now for an ai I was thinking adex 1mg everyday or amorasin 25mg everyday or letro 2.5mg but only half that everyday???Help which would be better???

I will have nolvadex on hand As well
My current goal is to lean bulk and maintain body fat or even possibly drop body fat to 8-9%.

My diet is spot on and I eat like a horse, every 2-3 hours usually have a meal while on cycle.

Pct I will continue ai throughout pct and i will start Clomid 7 days after last Injection dosed at 100mg everyday for 50 days. I also will start hcg 5000ius last three weeks before pct.

[Turkish Juicer]

It will be really hard to recover from a 20week cycle on your behalf, PCT will have to be long and aggressive. You say you have run 8 cycles before so I am not going to get into a further debate about your cycle length but I want you to know that even if you recover from this cycle after PCT, you will eventually have low natty Test levels, hence making you a future candidate for TRT.

Here is what I think about your cycle and how some flaws could be fixed:

1. You will gain plenty of strength and mass with 750mg Sustanon EW, 600mg Deca EW and 50mg Anavar ED. Are you sure you also want to bring in EQ into this cycle? It will do little and is not worth neither the money nor all the injections you will have to go through on top of other compounds. I would drop the EQ.

2. I am having trouble understanding the length of some of the compounds that are involved in this cycle. I am hoping you are not proposing to run Anavar throughout the cycle, being 20 weeks. I don't think that you should run any oral for over 8 weeks, regardless of dosing. Also, are you referring to oral Winstrol in your proposed cycle? If so, I would strongly recommend that you do not run two orals in one cycle for health reasons.

3. Proposed AI dosages are way too high. I would start off with either Arimidex 0.25mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5mg ED to see how my body responds to this and make modifications from there if felt necessary.

4. Run HCG anywhere between 250-500iu E3D throughout your cycle to prevent testicular atrophy (as much as possible). Implement this injection protocol up to PCT.

5. Your PCT should not start 7 days after your last injection. It takes about 15 days for Deca and up to 3 weeks for Sustanon to clear off. Also, running Clomid alone for 50 days at 100mg a day is not a brilliant PCT plan either. It should be used with Nolvadex for better recovery. Below is my suggested PCT for you, keeping in mind that this is 20 week long cycle with multiple compounds stacked at fairly high doses:

Nolvadex 40/40/40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/100/100/50/50

Again, I disagree with a 20week long cycle that includes several injectables and orals at fairly high doses, I am not sure if benefits really exceeds the risks in such cycles, but my suggestions are as above and I really hope this helps. Good luck.

[stpete]

Ok, at 25 you've been around the block a few times and i would think you would be a little thicker than you are. But anyways, you need to let us know how long you plan to run each compound. As it stands, it looks like you are running everything for 20 weeks. I hope that's not correct. Straighten that up, please.
And you need to do more research on your AI and HCGusage and a proper PCT including Nolva as Turkish mentioned.

[songdog]

Yeah a lil to long for me but thats your deal.Like Turk said your AI dose is way off and use Adex imo.And if I was you I would post my diet in the diet section.You will be glad you did.

[Chuckdiesel]

2. I am having trouble understanding the length of some of the compounds that are involved in this cycle. I am hoping you are not proposing to run Anavar throughout the cycle, being 20 weeks. I don't think that you should run any oral for over 8 weeks, regardless of dosing. Also, are you referring to oral Winstrol in your proposed cycle? If so, I would strongly recommend that you do not run two orals in one cycle for health reasons.

Also, even if its injectable whinny, its still 17aa alkylated and running that with another oral is definitely not advised! Be kind to your liver, all steroids put some strain on your liver, especially any alkylated or methylated compounds.

[G86]

So taking into consideration your guys advice, I have done the following revision.

15 week length.

Deca 300 1ml twice a week 600mg/week for 15 weeks.
Sustanon 250 1ml three times a week 750mg/week for 15 weeks.
Eq 300 1ml twice a weeks 600mg/week for 15 weeks.
TBOL 50mg every day for first 8 weeks.
Anavar 50mg every day last 8 weeks.
HCG 500ius throught cycle broken up into 2 shots of 250ius throughout cycle.

I will be running aromasin at 12.5mg ED throughout cycle. And I will have plenty on nolvadex on hand and letro on hand.

PCT will begin 2 weeks after last injection
Nolvadex 40/40/40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/100/100/50/50.

As for the the eq I still think it will be a good addition to the cycle but any suggestion are welcome again and all your guys advice is appreciated.

Thank you guys for time and input!

[songdog]

I would only run 1 oral and your Var needs to be in the 70mg range.

[Turkish Juicer]

Alright, revised version of your proposed cycle looks much better and safer than the initial one but it still needs modifications IMO. Also, I am glad I could convince you NOT to run a 20 week cycle, it will bring more trouble than benefits, trust me. At any rate, quality over quantity is a major determinant when cycling.

1. It is up to you to keep the EQ. I think it is a pretty useless compound but then many users claim the opposite so there is no point in a further debate.

2. Like songdog said, I would only run 1 oral in a cycle for health reasons and my preferred oral would be Anavar over any other compound. Only running Anavar for 8 weeks at a 70-80mg range will yield satisfactory results in terms muscle and strength gains along with increased pumps and fat burn. You can save it for the last 8 weeks of the cycle OR use it as an agent to kick-start, I doubt its pla***ent will make a huge difference.

3. When you are running Sustanon, PCT start time gets tricky. Sustanon includes a long estered Test named Testosterone Decanoate, which has a very long ester (if not the longest ester of all AAS) and takes up to 3 weeks to clear off. This is exactly why it may not be the best idea to start PCT only 14 days after the last Sustanon injection.

4. As for your PCT, now since you shaved 5 weeks off of your initially proposed 20week cycle, PCT can be relatively less aggressive IMO. Clomid, which is generally reported to have vastly more side effects than Nolvadex, use can be shortened to 4 weeks at 100mg ED. Nolvadex can be run at 40mg ED for the first 2 weeks and be run at 20mg ED for the rest 4 weeks.

5. HCG 250iu E3D can be safely bumped to 500iu E3D if significant testicular atrophy is experienced.