Advice Needed

[ozzie43]

Gentlemen, I'm 43 y/o, 5'11" and 198.5. Started trt this past Friday with 200 cyp every 3.5 days among other things (dhea, hcg, anas). I'm looking to cycle and was thinking of deca to start, however, open to suggestions for cycle and pct. From what I've read and learned this could help with joint issues and sex functions. I've been framing house for 20+ years and have abused my body doing such despite my efforts at the gym. Have basically nil sex drive. Thoughts?

I have all the BW to support trt and know it takes time which I'm completely fine with. A great concern of mine is that I need help with my energy. To be very frank, I crash after work but especially on the weekends. Weekend example: wake up, eat a good breakfast, workout and crash for 4-6 hours, wake up and crash again. Crash meaning sleep. Thoughts on supplements or other?

Thanks,
Ozzie

[ozzie43]

Clarification. My cyp is 200 weekly that I've split in half. Also taking 2k omega 3 fish oil and 10k of D3 daily.

[ironbeck]

Dear ozzie your getting old and all the above mentioned (loss of sex drive, and sleeping, no energy) is perfectly normal at your age especially doing a manual labor related job for a living. No disrepect by using the term manual labor, I use it in general terms for those of us who actually work fora living.
Since I can relate to your woes and tribulations here are some suggestions.
If you are married, especially for a while to he same woman there will be little help for your sex drive. I will explain further if u wish.
What's your BF% your bones are "tired" and if you can drop some weight your energy will increase.
If you smoke try to quit again!! If you drink, cut down dramatically.
You are what you eat! stop eating any ****ing fast food(mc donalds, bk...ect) take the time to prepare your lunch, with proper complex carbs, proteins and fats.
also cut down on sodas.
Deca will decrease your sex drive! just increase your test per week...400?
Decrease your D3 intake 500 daily is enough, 2 fish oils not three.
Make sure to drink enough water all day.
IF you use recreational drugs for aches and pains, try to cut them down to what is necessary.
Are u retired brother?

[ozzie43]

Ironbeck, thanks for the advice man. Not retired by any means. I'm still framing houses, building decks, et al. Much of what you mention, I already do or don't. I'm a single father with 2 girls. Tore my right quad last week simply by squatting down on a wall ready to pull up a truss. Just my own body weight plus bags. I drink about a gallon a water everyday, no energy drinks, rarely see me drinking soda or alcohol, no rec or Rx drugs (that was many moons ago). Ice and icy/hot seem to work but temporary. Quit smoking about a year ago.

Takes about an hour after waking up for my back, knees and feet to start functioning w/out grabbing onto something. Once I start working, I'm good to go. The down time is what kills me. I hit the gym after work due to such. I can tweek my diet for sure, but make a conscious effort to eat properly already.

If I increase cyp to 400 weekly, for how long before dropping back down or adding something else in? Doctor instructed fish oil at 2k to help with chol and 10k of D3 due to level at 29.1ng/mL in reference range 30.0-100.0. Think they're trying to jump start or quickly correct levels?

Thanks for the help!

[stpete]

You can run it for 12 weeks at that dose. Personally, i'd recommend 500-600mgs. Try that for 12 weeks and see what happens before adding deca.

[ozzie43]

If I did my math correctly at 500 per week, I would run out of cyp about 1.5 weeks before I can refill. Some have advised (different forum) starting at 100 weekly and titrating up. Safe to say you think deca would be a good choice? I've read that deca helps with joint issues and sexual function, however, Ironbeck said it does not in regards to the latter. Could this be that everyone is different or the simply just a marketing ploy?

[JOCKSOX]

Car Dee Oh would help.

Just my $.02

DUDE

[John Andrew]

Ironbeck says you are getting old, I am 57 and getting young! In fact we are both correct, But I agree go to a higher amount of test cyp and next time try with deca, It works for me, And mate, I have had more injuries than most. The last 3 years include compound fractures of the lower leg, watched the bones sticking out. 7 fractures to the skull. 2 severe hernias and one fractured spine!

I do not allow pain to interfere with my life and the pain goes away! Obviously you have to recover from any injury but you recover faster and better with exercise.

Good luck, john

[ozzie43]

Been on a modified paleo diet for quite some time now. Greatly increased cardio and core. 30-45 minutes prior to weights and 1.5-2 hours cardio/core alone once a week. Taking L-Ornithine, citrulline and argenine sc daily for libido. Currently frontloading the aminos. If I were to start deca, what can I stack it with so as not to lose what little sex drive I'm trying to improve while reaping the results healing my joints?

Thanks for all of your input!

[John Andrew]

Mate, If the sex drive is so low and the testosterone is not bringing it up I would get some medical advice Here i can buy Kamugra, {Viagra} at about $1.50 each and one of them keeps me horny for 3 to 4 days! Its not unusual to have sex 4 times a day after one tablet!

I do not always use them but as they were designed to reduce bp. What the heck and the wife is happy!

As I live in Thailand the opportunities here are at times overwhelming and I feel it would be just rude to say no!!!!

Give them a try, Good luck John

[fit2bOld]

Test alone may not fix your sex drive it can also make it worse if your estrogen level goes to high.
It is very important to balance your hormone level for optimum health. Take it one step at a time and don't think that tossing down more of this and that is the fix.
Get blood work to verify your test level and also do a full panel including E2. There may be other supplement you may require like vitamin d3 that most HRT guy are taking.
like yourself my batteries were always running out until i got BALANCED.
Join us in the HRT section.

[MuscleInk]

Mate, If the sex drive is so low and the testosterone is not bringing it up I would get some medical advice Here i can buy Kamugra, {Viagra} at about $1.50 each and one of them keeps me horny for 3 to 4 days! Its not unusual to have sex 4 times a day after one tablet!

I do not always use them but as they were designed to reduce bp. What the heck and the wife is happy!

As I live in Thailand the opportunities here are at times overwhelming and I feel it would be just rude to say no!!!!

Give them a try, Good luck John

I took cialis prophylactically (10mg) to manage elevated PSA. Dropped my PSA from 6 to 1.3 in 3-4 weeks.....and I had wood almost around the clock.

Not taking cialis now but good to know its useful for controlling PSA. It too is prescribed for BP prophylactically.

[MuscleInk]

Test alone may not fix your sex drive it can also make it worse if your estrogen level goes to high.
It is very important to balance your hormone level for optimum health. Take it one step at a time and don't think that tossing down more of this and that is the fix.
Get blood work to verify your test level and also do a full panel including E2. There may be other supplement you may require like vitamin d3 that most HRT guy are taking.
like yourself my batteries were always running out until i got BALANCED.
Join us in the HRT section.

Excellent advice. I've heard d-aspartic acid will bring endogenous test-levels up as well.

Yes/no????

[ozzie43]

Ink,
Won't the d-aspartic acid increase my chances of elevating my e2? I've been able to go without an AI with my trt protocol so far, but do have it on hand. A couple of things I've noticed since starting trt, 100 of test cyp twice weekly isn't showing any changes. Doctor prescribed sc aminos for ED: L-agenine, citrulline and ornithine. Not sure how long before the aminos are supposed to start to kick in.

Would like to bump my test like Ironbeck and St.Pete have suggested, but doc won't go higher than 200 weekly. So I'm screwed there. The reason why I chose deca was for joint issues. My knees are shot, back pain is a daily battle. Doc won't prescribe because he believes it sole purpose is to combat wasting syndrome (HIV & AIDS patients). Again, screwed.

I use the HRT forum and respect the members in there. Some have been extremely helpful.! However, some believe that starting at 200 weekly is high. Shouldv'e started at 100 and titrated up if needed. From what I've learned, most trt/hrt docs won't go above 200 of test per week.

I've been on other sites and learned that most are endorsed by ugl's and/or resellers. I simply won't put anything in my body that isn't a pharmacuetical brand or grade. So, here I sit feeling somewhat defeated with my current protocol and ability to alter or increase where necessary. It's frustrating as hell!

[MuscleInk]

Ink,
Won't the d-aspartic acid increase my chances of elevating my e2? I've been able to go without an AI with my trt protocol so far, but do have it on hand. A couple of things I've noticed since starting trt, 100 of test cyp twice weekly isn't showing any changes. Doctor prescribed sc aminos for ED: L-agenine, citrulline and ornithine. Not sure how long before the aminos are supposed to start to kick in.

Would like to bump my test like Ironbeck and St.Pete have suggested, but doc won't go higher than 200 weekly. So I'm screwed there. The reason why I chose deca was for joint issues. My knees are shot, back pain is a daily battle. Doc won't prescribe because he believes it sole purpose is to combat wasting syndrome (HIV & AIDS patients). Again, screwed.

I use the HRT forum and respect the members in there. Some have been extremely helpful.! However, some believe that starting at 200 weekly is high. Shouldv'e started at 100 and titrated up if needed. From what I've learned, most trt/hrt docs won't go above 200 of test per week.

I've been on other sites and learned that most are endorsed by ugl's and/or resellers. I simply won't put anything in my body that isn't a pharmacuetical brand or grade. So, here I sit feeling somewhat defeated with my current protocol and ability to alter or increase where necessary. It's frustrating as hell!

Hey Ozzie,

Ya, you could experience a bump in E but if you've got AIs on hand then you'll be fine.

The problem with TRT clinics is that MDs must follow protocols for patient safety. The largest doses I've seen at TRT clinics is 400 cyp weekly for guys with test levels sub 100. I get 200 weekly from a clinic and then bump this with my own gear.

[ozzie43]

Thanks Ink. I understand the game the docs have to adhere to as well as members of this site and site itself. Seeing as I can't get what I want do you think peptides would yield as good or better results? I've been learning alot in that forum as well.

[MuscleInk]

Thanks Ink. I understand the game the docs have to adhere to as well as members of this site and site itself. Seeing as I can't get what I want do you think peptides would yield as good or better results? I've been learning alot in that forum as well.

Peptides will help. Definitely not as much as gear IMO but if you're limited to what your MD is providing, peptides will help. Are dialed in to a good nutrition plan? Nothing compares to an optimal nutrition plan.

[MuscleInk]

Thanks Ink. I understand the game the docs have to adhere to as well as members of this site and site itself. Seeing as I can't get what I want do you think peptides would yield as good or better results? I've been learning alot in that forum as well.

Are you using any GH?

[ozzie43]

Diet and cardio are very good. Would like to drop about 5-6% BW. Currently at 13.5%. Not using GH. From what I've learned it's expensive so entertaining GHRP-2 or 3 (one doesn't promote hunger like 6 does) and CJC-1295 w/out DAC. Need to see if I can implement IGF1 with the others even for the 1st 4-6 weeks. Legit, reputable gear is the issue right now. Catch-22. Go with gear by rolling the dice or use my money and know precisely what I'm getting.

Thanks for the input! Much appreciated!!!

[ADSONE]

Good luck ozzie...seems your on track just have to stay consistent and you'll find the right combo...

[ozzie43]

Thanks!