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[Test247]

Hi Guys... 31yr old Male, 200lbs ~ 7%BF.

I have been cycling for 6 years... well more blast and cruise for the last 4 years. Now I want to run a cycle again but it seems like if I get past about 100-150mg a week of TEST-C I develop gyno.

I can only cruise around 75-100mg a week. I tried upping the dose, w/ novaldex and it keeps the gyno down but sex drive is dead.

I tried going to about 250mg week test-c + 300mg EQ and had to use about 25mg noval ED for gyno but again sex drive dead.

Almost anything I do past a really low dose of test is killing my sex drive. Im pretty in tune with how sensitive I am to gyno as to my estrogen levels.

I tried to run Deca earlier in the year and dead sex drive as well.

I had some blood work done when I was cruising at 100mg/wk about 7-8 months ago and my total test was 830 on a 200-900 scale and my free test was just over the top of the scale range.

My SHBG is very low and always has been. Dr. never knows why but just makes me utilize my test VERY efficiently.

Some time back I ran a 1/3 1/3 1/3 TESTC/EQ/DECA cycle (all 300mg/ml) and 2cc a week of all 3 total and loved it.

Looking to do that again for summer but don't want to kill my sex drive again....

thinking of getting off everything all together for a few weeks before I start, even my low dose test.

OH. Also I am on 20mg Var ED 24/7/365.

Thanks guys!

[gixxerboy1]

why not use an ai instead of nolva

[Far from massive]

^^^ This

[Test247]

I have tried arimidex as well. Noval seems to work better for me. I am open to trying arimidex again. Any particular theory behind this?

[gixxerboy1]

nolva doesnt lower estrogen it just blocks it
aromasin or a-dex will actually lower your estrogen levels.

[Test247]

Yes I know how they both work. Do you have any reason behind why this might solve my issues?

In the past using Arimidex I started having signs of low estrogen (hard to think clearly, achy joints) when it was actually starting to solve my Gyno, which I dont get w/ the Noval.

thanks!

[gixxerboy1]

sounds like you didnt have your dosing correctly.
if you start the a-dex right away when you increase your test you shouldnt even get gyno to start.
it sounds like you started to get symptoms. then took an ai and took to much

[Test247]

Thats what I thought as well. Ive been messing around with it about 3-4x now with the same issues. I may have been correcting too soon/over correcting. I guess I will try again and be more subtle with the dosing.

Alright. Im gonna go home stick 500mg of test and start arimidex at .5mg ED and see what happens ;P

[gixxerboy1]

i would do 2 injections of 250mg a week instead of 1 500mg injection aweek. That will keep your hormone levels more stable and reduce side effects

[cb714]

Try aromasin if adex didnt work out for you. It sounds like you have a problem with estrogen. Aromasin is effective at reducing it by about 85%.

[Test247]

I may try aromasin. I have experienced the same problems with estrogen being TOO low.

Here's the main reason I prefer Noval to AI's. Test has 3 pathways to break down 1. estrogen, 2. DHT and 3. Liver/utilization.

If we block #1 with an AI then overall test is raised and DHT goes up (Im prone to MPB). If I use finasteride, even in small doses I get gyno too as it blocks the enzyme for conversion to DHT. So I was opting to use finasteride and use noval instead of an AI to not block both enzyme paths to get rid of test.

[D7M]

Well I was going to suggest a low dose DHT like Masteron until I saw you last post.

That always controls my gyno and frees up my SHBG (=higher sex drive). But then again I can run mast and winny at 200mg/ED and loose a hair.

You might consider trying a "restart".

Coming off everything. Even the low dose var. Utilize HCG, HMG and SERMS.

Sounds like either 1) you body is completely out of whack and throwing things at it, is only going to make it worse, or

2) Unfortunately, you might just be genetically pre-disposed NOT to use steroids.

OR, or, you might be able to control the gyno and have to sacrifice the libido (and obviously use Ped-5 inhibitors as needed).

That's my take.