Need help putting together a cycle

[Train4life10]

I have taken steroids in the past, but have always had the cycle given to me from a pro bodybuilder. I'm now not able to get his guidance anymore and need to be educated. I have used growth in the past with test, tren, dianabol, anadrol, and clen. I wish to do a 12-15 week bulking coarse, but know very little about PCT. My stats are 95kg, 30 years old, training 15 years, meso/ecto, 16% bf, 5-6 days a week training with weights. Competed in 5 bodybuilding junior - novice classes.

I know what I consider to be more than most but please give me some information on the following questions...


I am trying to bulk, and to my knowledge there are several different types of testosterones, each of which have a different rate of lasting in the system. Which is superior?



I understand you would use on which has an instant effect in conjunction with one which has a longer effect to ensure you do not have to inject all of the time, is this correct?



In this case would you start with both an instant effect test and a longer effecr test, then eventully stop taking the instant?



On the note of orals, do you take them all the way through the course (12-15 weeks) or just as a kick start?



Can you use orals throughout and do you have to alternate between different ones, if so why? I was thinking about cycling dianabol with anadrol.



With test what is a good stacker with it, I was thinking tren as I have not had any side effects in the past, would this be a good choice or is there a better option?


I was led to believe that clen opens receptor sites which allow more test etc to be flooded into the system, is there any evidence to suggest this?


With all of the above what dosages would you recommend, or if there is an alternative what dosages would you recommend?


Finally my fiancé competes in bodybuilding and it is becoming increasingly apparent that her completion is on juice! What suggestions for girls do you have?


I understand there is a lot here, please take the time to answer the questions as it will hugely help me!

Thank you.

[gonzo6183]

1. There is no "superior" test, its personal preference. if you are happy to pin ED or EOD then go with prop, its in the system quickly and leaves the system quickly. If you want to pin 2 times per week go with test E or C then wait 14 days after your last pin before you start your PCT

2. No this is not correct, decide if you want to pin all the time or not and stick to one type of test, keep it simple at least until you can figure it all out yourself.

3. as above, no just dont do it... if you want a kick start go with dbol or adrol for 4 weeks

4. depending on your goals will depend on when you take your orals but 4 weeks is standard upto 6weeks for compounds not as harsh. DO NOT take throughout

5. see above... choose dbol or adrol as your kickstart, you dont want to put your liver through that stress

6. Anything stacks well with test but for your goals deca or tren would be good although as you seem to be starting fresh (kind of) I would think Deca would be best but you might be getting ahead of yourself, you dont need so many compounds. Maybe pick just 2 test and dbol or adrol OR test Deca. I would say thats your best option.

7. Clen does not do that

8. Test at 500mg week for 12 weeks with 40mg dbol OR 50/100mg adrol

9. Anavar or winstrol may be good things to start looking into but you should do a lot more research, thats just a direction to look.

10. What is your planned PCT, AI, prolactalin control (if needed), HCG???

Hope that helps a bit and doesnt pffend anyone in the process

Gonzo

[gonzo6183]

You might want to do a "prime" to get that bf % down before starting, it is generally suggested to be below 15% bf and most people think they are lower than what they actually are. This is to avoid unwanted side effects

[Train4life10]

Thanks!! Great advice!

In the past I have taken upto 100mg dianabol and upto 150mg anadrol, which is the better mass gainer?

Test I have taken around 400-600mg per week so what you mentioned sounds very similar. I have take both Deca and tren (at seperate times) and I found with Deca I didnt really see much results, this may have been due to the amount as I wasnt taking much. How much Deca would I take and is it better then Tren fro bulking?


PCT i have taken HCG, but I was told to take this every 4 weeks throughout and ater the course, is this correct?

What other PCT would you recommend?

Ocassionally I get a little gyno, how can I reduce the risk but not reduce the effects of the anabolics?


Thanks again buddy.

[Train4life10]

Also I have taken growth at a dose of 0.5iu EOD, is this a good amount or would it be increased/decreased. Again many thanks.

[gonzo6183]

Dont bother with the gh especially at that dose and if its not pharm grade its going to be fake anyway.

Those are some high doses of orals, I think you should just scale it all back and learn to cycle properly.

HCG would be best used at 2 x 250iu per week throughout cycle, not continued during PCT

I suggest you do some reading on PCT becasue it is important that you understand what you are doing not just doing what someone else tells you, like you have been previously.

My suggestion is
500mg Test E or C per week 12 weeks
40mg dbol ED first 4 weeks
Full PCT
HCG throughout
AI during cycle (research it) thats to keep your estrogen under control through cycle and avoid side effects

[Train4life10]

I can get pharm grade hgh, but have never been told to take a higher dose (as its expensive) but thats not an issue now. How much would you have to take to get good results?

Why would you chose dbol over anadrol?

Should AI be ran throughout even if I do not experience side effects? Is it true that it also reduces test, which is why generally people dont take it?

PCT - could you give me some examples. I relise I am coming across as a newby here but I would much rather hear it from one source then sevral sources on the net. Also does PCT hinder/increase the amount you keep?

If I was to add tren or decca which would be the more benifical? As stated before I have ran both but I got great effects from running tren with test.

In the past I have done no PCT or AI just HCG throughout, hence why I am unsure about these. All that was done was a weening effect of reducing the test slowly. Thanks.

[gonzo6183]

All the info is on this site man, relax a bit dont rush into it and learn.

as for dbol or adrol, if youve had them both go with the one you prefer.

AI before being needed is open for debate, you will find plenty of arguements for both, do your research and make up your own mind. BUT you say you are gyno prone so it would be smart to take it