bill roberts's 2 weekers

[fanof]

I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with bill roberts's 2 weeks on 4 weeks off protocol

What do you guys think of running high dose of SD say 30-50 mg a day for 2 weeks, followed by 1 week of nolva at 20mg ed, proceeded by 3 weeks off any form of gear or ancillaries, then repeat

The reason superdrol is gains come quickly, I can get lots of it cheaply and I don't want bloat from other fast acting orals like dbol or anadrol....

The only problem I can think of is many people say most of the gains come during week 3 of SD and the level out in the 4th, so my question would be, is there much difference in recovery between a 2 wEeker and a 3 weeker.... Bill roberts's theory is that only your hypothalamus, and not your pituatry is shut down during a 2 weeker ....so you get very fast recovery, he also said there is not much diff between the recovery of a 4 weeker and an 8 weeker.. So I wana know where the 3 weeker stands? Does it shut down pituatry?

[swm1972]

Superdrol works fine and fast. You would see gains in two weeks, but I ran it out to 4 weeks as an oral only cycle and was still gaining at the end. Not sure how this routine rotated over and over would end up. I do think you reach a point of diminishing results fairly quickly with superdrol. I don't believe it would take you as far as other compounds would but that is only based on personal opinion and not experience. I ran it as a kick start once later on with a testosterone cycle and didn't feel it was as strong then as the first time around. This could be due a number of reasons, receptor sensitivity, being larger and therefore closer to the threshold of enhanced gains, poor synergy between the two compounds, who knows?

Fwiw.

[fanof]

Anyone have an opinion on, using test prop 600mg a week and methyl tren 750mcg ED for the 2 weeks on 4 off routine..

More interested on opinions of these particular compounds or recommended compounds, than your opinion on the 2on4off protocol

Also how much difference would it make if I went for esterless test instead of prop, considering the extra cost and ed injections, is it worth it

[Swifto]

Anyone have an opinion on, using test prop 600mg a week and methyl tren 750mcg ED for the 2 weeks on 4 off routine..

More interested on opinions of these particular compounds or recommended compounds, than your opinion on the 2on4off protocol

Also how much difference would it make if I went for esterless test instead of prop, considering the extra cost and ed injections, is it worth it

If you're trying to avoid HPTA suppression or shutdown, forget it. The build up of androgens in the hypothalamus will cause inhibition.

I dont like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off protocol's, I think they're nonsense in most cases.

[Aaryan]

I have also heard of this and it seems to be some fad that hasnt taken off and IMO rightfully so. Just run a regular cycle its the only way i know and the only way i will ever go

[fanof]

Its not a fad, its been around for ages according to bill roberts and there are people who use the protocol almost religiously.... But anyway not really keen for a debate on the subject as I have read tons of them on other forums already - more interested in what difference prop vs no ester test would make.... And any opinions on whether the methyl tren and test are good compounds for this protocol, from people who have done them

[DanB]

Read swiftos post he answered your question

[ghettoboyd]

Anyone have an opinion on, using test prop 600mg a week and methyl tren 750mcg ED for the 2 weeks on 4 off routine..

More interested on opinions of these particular compounds or recommended compounds, than your opinion on the 2on4off protocol

Also how much difference would it make if I went for esterless test instead of prop, considering the extra cost and ed injections, is it worth it

i dont like it at all, you just get the ester of the prop going them bam shut it down...cant imagin what the methyl tren will do exspecially durring the down time when your estrogen and progestren levels are all over the place wondering what the **** just happened...that compound gave me the biggest gyno flare up i have ever encountered so keep that in mind...good luck if your actually going to try this...might as well keep a log so we can all learn from your experiance...

[DanB]

And if that's you in your avi then you need to read swiftos thread about growing into your dose

No offense but the avi dosnt look like you even been training long at all and your trying to run before you can walk

[fanof]

Lol that is me in my avi. I was, however, 16 at the time... Only pic I had on my work computer.

If do decide to do a cycle like this one day I will keep a log

I was just attracted to the idea of knowing that your next cycle is just around the corner all the time, instead of making huge gains then losing a lot, respectively to the losses if any after 2 weekers.

[Turkish Juicer]

You don't make ''huge lean gains'' and then ''loose a lot'' in properly designed and implemented cycles, so you are coming off from a perspective that doesn't exist in the reality of an intelligent and experienced juicer.

2 weeks on 4 off routine will still mess up your HTPA, besides being useless for the most part.