Can't keep the gains?

[dylan111557]

I read a lot of threads claiming that if you don't have a good base you won't keep any gains whatsoever ''you might even lose some?''. And I'm wondering if someone were to do 3-5 cycles for example, than stop. Do You guys actually believe he will lose the gains of ALL those cycles? If someone were to start at 150 and go to 190 I can't imagine him losing all that weight back to what he was?

[gixxerboy1]

depends, most people that dont have a good base dont know how or how much to eat. So if they stick to the same crappy diet they will keep loosing it.

[rasc170]

lol you were reading the thread I made weren't you? From what I've been told by a lot of people is that if you keep the intensity of your training up and your natural hormone system can support that kind of mass then yes

[dylan111557]

depends, most people that dont have a good base dont know how or how much to eat. So if they stick to the same crappy diet they will keep loosing it.

So it has nothing to with anything else? Just the diet? That seems odd considering if someone were to get their diet 100% checked out here and they followed it perfectly they'd keep all their gains ?

[Noles12]

So it has nothing to with anything else? Just the diet? That seems odd considering if someone were to get their diet 100% checked out here and they followed it perfectly they'd keep all their gains ?

Diet and training are key. As gixxer said, most guys who start at 150 dont know how to diet and train. This why they are only 150.

If they go up to 190 but only eat and train like they are 150, the body is not geting what it needs to remain at 190. Therefore they will lose what they gained

[Lil man]

I agree 100%. I was 150 when I started and couldn't gain. Til I started eating. Then I made it a long way til I learned I was eating wrong and now I'm eating right and we shall see what happens. Up up up I go

[dylan111557]

Curveball for everyone, Say someone was 150, bulked to 190, and cut to 165. He now knows hows to maintain weight around 190, so would he be a good candidate to keep the gains?

[Lil man]

From everything I've read and know it's all about training and diet. With that said if someone was to cut at 190 after a cycle his muscle doesn't have much memory and he'll have a harder time regaining the mass he once had. If he kept the gains for a while before cutting the muscle has more memory and is easier to maintain but all will be lost wither way if your not eating properly. Can't go 100 miles on a gallon of gas and your body can't maintain 190 pounds on a diet suited for 150

[dylan111557]

From everything I've read and know it's all about training and diet. With that said if someone was to cut at 190 after a cycle his muscle doesn't have much memory and he'll have a harder time regaining the mass he once had. If he kept the gains for a while before cutting the muscle has more memory and is easier to maintain but all will be lost wither way if your not eating properly. Can't go 100 miles on a gallon of gas and your body can't maintain 190 pounds on a diet suited for 150

I'm sure at 190, you'd rearange your diet to be suited for that weight, no?

[rasc170]

I'm sure at 190, you'd rearange your diet to be suited for that weight, no?

obviously you would adjust your calories and macros as your body changes. This happens natty or on gear. It's just that you make more rapid changes on gear than you would natty.

[Capebuffalo]

Let me see if I can simplify it a little. You weigh 150 lbs. you go to the diet section and get help. 3 weeks later you weigh 160. Now you have to adjust your diet for the extra 10 lbs. diet calculator and your macros. Each week if you have gained you have to adjust you intake for your new weight. It is a constant adjustment to maintain

[Capebuffalo]

obviously you would adjust your calories and macros as your body changes. This happens natty or on gear. It's just that you make more rapid changes on gear than you would natty.

You typed faster.

[rasc170]

Let me see if I can simplify it a little. You weigh 150 lbs. you go to the diet section and get help. 3 weeks later you weigh 160. Now you have to adjust your diet for the extra 10 lbs. diet calculator and your macros. Each week if you have gained you have to adjust you intake for your new weight. It is a constant adjustment to maintain

we agree on something

[Capebuffalo]

we agree on something

You being a faster typer? Just kidding. Yeah people don't understand that oh I gained weight but I have to eat more now. That's why they go back down. It a constant battle to eat enough.

[rasc170]

You being a faster typer? Just kidding. Yeah people don't understand that oh I gained weight but I have to eat more now. That's why they go back down. It a constant battle to eat enough.

lol no. In reference to the other thread with bear.

With being natty...its been my experience a .5-a pound gained on the scale per week is a good caloric surplus to be at. And for cutting a pound is pretty good as well. Any more than that you're gonna burn muscle if you're already on the lower end of the bf scale.

[dylan111557]

lol no. In reference to the other thread with bear.

With being natty...its been my experience a .5-a pound gained on the scale per week is a good caloric surplus to be at. And for cutting a pound is pretty good as well. Any more than that you're gonna burn muscle if you're already on the lower end of the bf scale.

how can you measure .5 accurately per week? My weight shoots from 3-5lbs everyday randomly, If i don't shit i weight 2 lbs heavier, you know?... Maybe a pound not sure:P

[Capebuffalo]

If I am weighing. I weigh first thing in the morning. I men roll out of bed and step on the scale. Then don't weigh again that day.

[rasc170]

how can you measure .5 accurately per week? My weight shoots from 3-5lbs everyday randomly, If i don't shit i weight 2 lbs heavier, you know?... Maybe a pound not sure:P

weigh yourself first thing in the morning without eating or drinking anything. Do it daily and you'll get a good general direction of where things are going.

[rasc170]

If I am weighing. I weigh first thing in the morning. I men roll out of bed and step on the scale.

i still type faster :P. Someone asked me something at work

[Misery13]

Don't forget to train and cardio too. I have some friends that stop training once they reach PCT and get fat because there still eating big.

[Capebuffalo]

i still type faster :P. Someone asked me something at work

Damn it.

[SMcB]

I think once you are at your natural limit, all gains will eventually be lost after cycle (even with proper PCT). Whenever you see people or hear claims of people keeping some or most of the gains from a steroid cycle, that means that person started taking steroids before reaching his natural limit. How long does it take to reach your natural limit? I think it varies from person to person, but I believe that just about anyone can reach their natural limit within 3-5 years of consistent training (without under or overtraining) and disciplined diet.

[rasc170]

I think once you are at your natural limit, all gains will eventually be lost after cycle (even with proper PCT). Whenever you see people or hear claims of people keeping some or most of the gains from a steroid cycle, that means that person started taking steroids before reaching his natural limit. How long does it take to reach your natural limit? I think it varies from person to person, but I believe that just about anyone can reach their natural limit within 3-5 years of consistent training (without under or overtraining) and disciplined diet.

exactly...and it's my belief that if you're going to cycle then it's not a bad idea to cycle as soon as you have a good grasp on diet and training. All this bs about training 5 years before you cycle is bs