First Cycle 500 Test E Clean Bulk

[Shuff]

Hello guys. I've just started on my first cycle. My plan so far is:

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg ew
Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
PCT:
Clomid 100/100/100/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

I did my first injection last Sunday. I expected more pain, but 2 days later I had a few hours were it was really sore and uncomfortable. Nothing I can't handle.

I'm on a clean bulk and try to eat big as much as possible. On workout days I have a gainer with semi-skimmed milk and some extra virgin olive oil, and after workout I have protein shack with milk and olive oil. On rest day I only have the gainer/mil/olive oil.

I'm eating a lot of oatmeal, brown rice, lean chicken, milk, egg, vegetables, nuts, and other typical clean healthy food. As I'm prone to acne (not severe prone), I'm staying away from food with sugar in it (apples, etc), as this tend to give me spots. Bananas are the only sugar bomb I'm eating.

I've estimated I'm around 3700-5000 calories each day, although I'm not measuring.

My stats:
23 years old
87 kg
~13-14% bf
193cm tall

My goal is to build as much muscle as possible without getting too much fat.

I will keep the log updated and would greatly appreciate constructive feedback, comments and tips.
Also, I will try to upload weekly progress pics if people are interested.

Cheers

Carl

[Shuff]

Originally I planed on using creatine mono only for PCT, but in the last few days I read so much about how it's great during cycle that I think of using it on as well as PCT. Anyone have some experience and recommendation for doses on and off?

[Graco]

I don't know if its against the rules or not but generaly people won't give advice to people under the age of 25 other than wait a few years and do more research although i would say that you might find the arimidex dose a little low maybe better with 0.25 eod..

[Shuff]

I'm not sure if you misread the post or if it's me not understanding. I'm currently on day 6 on my 10 weeks Test E cycle. I'm taking 0.5 arimidex every other day, so I don't think water retention will be a big issue.

What I was asking for was some doses of creatine on and off cycle, along with personal experience etc.

[< <Samson> >]

If you are eating solid, creatine won't do shit since your body's natural creatine levels are already at their max.

Everything looks pretty decent, 23 is a little young though. . . But, to each is own.

The PCT looks a little heavy. Clomid sucks and will fvck with you a bit, keep at a bit of a lower dosage. I did mine at 100/50/50/25

Otherwise everything looks in order. Just eat as clean as possible or the fat will come, I learned the hard way.

[Shuff]

I will experiment with creatine for 1-2 weeks. If I don't see any difference I just stop and start again during PCT.

I totally agree with you about the high Clomid dosage. I wanted to do 100/100/50/50, but there was an experienced and well respected veteran at uk-muscle forum that insisted on the high dosage of Clomid. I will go for 100 for a week and see if I get sides. If I do get them, I will lower the dosage accordingly.

Thanks for the tips. Really like to get as much feedback as possible, so I don't **** myself over. :P

[< <Samson> >]

I did not see sides from the Clomid for about 2 and a half weeks. Then they just started creeping up, some strange days of depression and my vision started getting funky at times.

Just how I did with my creatine too, I took it for 2 weeks and seen nothing. I seen creatine work for me back in the day when I was a complete rook to lifting. I did the same while on PCT and seen no change for the positive or negative.

[Shuff]

My legs and calfs are so destroyed from yesterdays leg training. Can barley walk lol. >.<

Sides till now:
2-3 days after cycle I started to get a few spots. I'm quite certain this is due to me eating at least two times as much calories as I used to, and not of the steroids. The few spots I got look like regular ones and have sort of disappeared/ grown smaller the last days.
Water retention: got some of this slowly during the first 4-6 days. Nothing big. Then I started taking creatine as well, and I have gotten some more water retention. Taking a-dex so I don't think this will reach a critical level.
About 10 hours after I took the creatine I have started to fart more, and the farts smell bad. :S

I think till now its the bad farts that has been the biggest issue.

Also, yesterday I started to feel a bit more horny than normal.

[Shuff]

Took third injection today. I was surprised how hard it was to get all the oil in, since my second injection was so nice and smooth and with no PIP. I think I can expect some PIP after 2 days as I had with the first injection.

Initially I planed doing 500mg once per week, but seeing how much 500mg is, I decided 2x 250mg per week. Maybe, in a few weeks when injection becomes cake, I'll go with 500mg once per week.

Week 1 food summary:
Been good and clean. No cheat meals yet.
Worst food item I ate this week was some ketchup which I added in my homemade pasta sauce.

[ac guy]

No expert, but I believe sticking twice a week with 250mg will even you out a bit vs injecting 500mg at once.

[Shuff]

Yes, you are right. It's better to get test in a smaller dosage more often than one big. The reason I wanted 1 shot per week was that I thought it would be more fuss and pain with two. If I stick with 2 times I'll need to order some more syringes soon. :P

[Shuff]

Week 0 - 1

This picture was taken 1 day before first injection and 2 days before first workout. No pump, and no gym workouts due to being on holiday for a 3 weeks.

[Shuff]

Week 2

Pictures are after today's bicep and back workout.

[JWP806]

Week 0 - 1

This picture was taken 1 day before first injection and 2 days before first workout.

How long have you been training prior to this?

[Shuff]

Started doing weights when I was about 17, but it wasn't until I was 21 and started with a "5x5 stronglifts" program I started to see real progress and gains. Last year training has been a bit sloppy due to high amounts of work at University.
I did a very causal cut from January to May. Lost some weight, but also a lot of strength.

Overall I'm quite happy how I look, except my arms and calfs. I think they are too small compared to the rest. My ultimate goal is to get a "fitness body" before I turn 26, so I have about 3 years to achieve this. The plan is to do a total of 3 cycles.
First cycle summer 2012 (bulk), second summer 2013 (bulk), and third spring 2014 (cut).

[Shuff]

Forgot to take my 0.5mg Adex yesterday. :S
Should I just wait till tomorrow for next dosage?

[Jonnyg419]

As long as your sides arent bad skipping the 1 dose wont hurt, and I hate to sound like a d*** but that entire previous convo you guys had about creatine was so wrong, just about every statement you guys made was off. Download the creatine report free offline, it gives you all the basic science of what creatine is and how it works, I take 5g ed all year long, I don't cycle it, it does not actually require cycling.

[Shuff]

Cheers. Appreciate your advice. Will download and take a look. Is it this you meant? www DOT creatine-report DOT com/

[ghettoboyd]

If you are eating solid, creatine won't do shit since your body's natural creatine levels are already at their max.

Everything looks pretty decent, 23 is a little young though. . . But, to each is own.

The PCT looks a little heavy. Clomid sucks and will fvck with you a bit, keep at a bit of a lower dosage. I did mine at 100/50/50/25

Otherwise everything looks in order. Just eat as clean as possible or the fat will come, I learned the hard way.

i agree with the clomid doseges...you run clomid that high and you will be weeping like a bitch durring "lassie" re-runs...

[< <Samson> >]

weeping like a bitch durring "lassie" re-runs...

No that's humor lmao

[Shuff]

Week 2 now over.
Workouts have been good. Been improving a bit on strength, but this is due to my increased calorie intake and me resting more than before. Have yet to see some crazy unnatural juice gains. Hope they will kick in about 2 weeks.

Overall my diet has been solid this week, with no cheat meals. Only had 1 piece of crisp and 1 jelly baby thing (was offered by my gf so had to at least try lol). Having a big dinner tonight, so maybe there will be some unhealthy food. Will try to minimize intake of the unhealthy and eat lots of the healthy food. :P

Pinning is starting to become a routine. I'm no longer nervous before pinning and my technique has greatly improved. Except for my first injection I have had no PIP.

Started to get more oily skin especially on the back and some on face. Could be due to the 1 dosage of Adex I missed.

[Shuff]

Week 3

Picture is taken after today's bi/back workout. Think I took the shot in a slightly angle.

[Jake08]

Taking creatine is a great idea while on gear. Google it and you will understand why. They say you should up your dose of creatine while one gear because it works even better.

[Shuff]

Thanks for advice Jake, will increase my dose.

Overall diet this week:
Worst week up till now. Had some cake, several pieces of candy and went to a restaurant and ate a lot of Chinese food (mostly oily). Was my gf's birthday so it's nothing I will do on a regular basis. Have been a bit moody today, normally I'm very cool.

Not sure if I saw any juice gains yet. Yesterday leg training was much easier than I'd expected. Had a lot more speed and insensitivity then I normally have. Will see tomorrow if it's really the juice starting to kick in.

[Shuff]

Today when I aspirated I got an air bubble and no blood (as far as I could see), but once I pulled out and looked at the syringe, there was a little blood in it. Is this anything to worry about?

[ac guy]

If it was you would probably know it already.

[DeadlyD]

Today when I aspirated I got an air bubble and no blood (as far as I could see), but once I pulled out and looked at the syringe, there was a little blood in it. Is this anything to worry about?

You would know it if you hit a vein, the syringe would fill with blood, your fine.

[Shuff]

Yeah, nothing special to report and it's been hours after injection. Worried for nothing. :P

[matt101]

For 250mg/1ml Test-E. How many viols will I need if I want to run it 12 weeks at 500 mg a week?

[Shuff]

For 250mg/1ml Test-E. How many viols will I need if I want to run it 12 weeks at 500 mg a week?

Depends on the size of the vial. But you would in most cases need 3.

[Popeye's]

Thanks for advice Jake, will increase my dose.

Overall diet this week:
Worst week up till now. Had some cake, several pieces of candy and went to a restaurant and ate a lot of Chinese food (mostly oily). Was my gf's birthday so it's nothing I will do on a regular basis. Have been a bit moody today, normally I'm very cool.

Not sure if I saw any juice gains yet. Yesterday leg training was much easier than I'd expected. Had a lot more speed and insensitivity then I normally have. Will see tomorrow if it's really the juice starting to kick in.

Watching your results closely bro! Good luck!

[Shuff]

Watching your results closely bro! Good luck!

Thanks bro! Will be exiting once the juice gains start to kick.

[Shuff]

Week 4

Pictures are taken after today's bi/back workout. I haven't weighted myself in months, but I think I have gained some weight. Mostly water though, but as I do 0.5 adex eod I don't think its that much water.

[Shuff]

Overall diet Week 4:
Clean and good with the exception of 5 cookies me and two mates made. Kind of regret eating 5. Not doing that again. :O

[thex95]

Overall diet Week 4:
Clean and good with the exception of 5 space cookies me and two mates made. Kind of regret eating 5 because they were way too strong. I'm defiantly not doing more weed on cycle.

You can't talk about rec drugs on here, edit your post

[Shuff]

Week 5
It's Tuesday and the weekly picture is up.

[sailfishray]

Great job! Very inspirational, I'm begging my first cycle soon.

[Shuff]

Great job! Very inspirational, I'm begging my first cycle soon.

Cheers bro. What kind of cycle are you doing?

[sailfishray]

Test-E and after reviewing your plan and some research I've done, I'm going to follow what you did including your meals. The only issue I will have is that since I had a gastric bypass there is only so much food I can eat that fits in my stomach, so I will have to supplement with protein shakes. I've lost about 100 lbs of fat and keep it off for 2.5 years.

[Shuff]

Ok, I wish you good luck. Remember to eat clean and healthy as much as you can, and eat enough. At least 3 or more hard workouts per week and a lot of sleep and you will see good results.