Winstrol V

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CHoose not to cycle. Thanks everyone

[austinite]

As I've stated in your previous thread. You're still too young to cycle. And your friend... either does not have your best interest or is extremely uneducated. Be careful.

PS. Your Food intake from 9am till 3pm is what stpete eats for breakfast.

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[stpete]

Me...

[austinite]

I know I'm too young to cycle but this idea of cycling has been stuck in my mind for a while and I want to try a small compound before trying a bigger one. My friend who told me that ran a similar cycle of Winny-V along with Anavar and didn't do a PCT along with it and I saw the results along with no gyno symptoms so I guess this cycle worked well with his body, don't know about mine and that is why I'm asking it here.

Also, who is stpete? And if by that you meant I'm not eating enough for breakfast, I'm actually eating until my stomach won't take more of it (feeling more than full) along with the fact that I'm never hungry in the early morning.

I know I'm not financially ready, but The idea of owning a Ferrari dealership has been stuck in my mind. But I will do my research until I can safely do it without going bankrupt.

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[gearbox]

Hi there, 1 week ago I just cut off a 1 week and half dianabol cycle because I didn't have an AI and I developped gyno symptoms (puffy nipples, soreness) and I started running Nolvadex right away at 40mg ED then dropped to 20mg ED. Workouts on nolva is such an hassle since I had planned this dianabol only cycle (I know it was dumb to run it alone, no need to say it) for a while.

Recently I talked my friend about it and he told me I could run Winstrol V in few weeks since gyno symptoms are gone (I believe there was small gyno symptoms + my paranoia making them bigger than they were). So I am thinking of running a Winstrol V cycle only (no test yet) for approx. 5 weeks dosing 20/30/40/30/20 EW. I have been told that I wouldn't need an AI this time because it has low androgenic properties but I've read on many sites that it does actually have some, so I'm also thinking of adding either Arimidex or Aromasin along with it, is it a good idea?

Now about myself, I'm a semi ecto/semi endo body type, I can gain fat quite easily if I'm not eating right but if I'm going on a small deficit, I actually lose weight very quick (matter of days). I'm 21 years old, 6 feet (quite enough for me) and 184 pounds (from today), approx 12% BF I'd say. Trained for around 2 years seriously. I can also state that thoses 2 years before I went from 180 pounds 25% BF to 120 pounds 8-9% BF by running 15 KM outside every 2 days along with a cutting diet (60 pounds in 8 months). So in the past two years I've gained around 65 pounds naturally but since few months I've hit a plateau and want to go around it. Been trying 1 week off and starting the gym again, many supps type (creatine, tribulus) along with a bulking diet (approx 400-600 cals over maintenance) and I'm eating 5-7 healthy meals a day (I'd say 3 decent meals + 3-4 medium snacks). I also know how to train properly, changing workouts every 2 months and know how to execute the movements well (incase someone is going to post about it).

Example of 1 day meals:

9:00 AM
6 White eggs
25g of Low fat cheese
2 small greek yogourt along with flaxseeds mixed onto them

10:30 AM
35g proteins (shake)
1 banana or 1 apple

11:45 AM
150g of steak sirloin
100g of mixed veggies
50g of rice (if hungry enough)

1:30 PM
Greek yogourt+flaxseeds
1 banana/apple
1 Vector snack bar (fibers+protein bar)

3:00 PM
125-150g chicken breast
2 potatos
100g of veggies

5:00 PM (post workout)
60g proteins
2 Rice cakes
White bread slices along with almond butter

7:30 PM
Approx 100g of almonds
4-5 white eggs
75g rice

9:00 PM
SLEEP

*After a big workout, if I'm hungrier than that, I will add greek yogourts/almonds/steak/chicken breast in one of the 2 last meals.

Also thinking of running that Winstrol V cycle only because I don't want to shut down my HPTA by running a 12 weeks Test Enanthate cycle 300mg EW and be stuck with TRT for life, so I'm starting with something stuff and in few years if I'm still not happy of my size/progress I will start a decent cycle. So I'm considering either Winstrol V only or Anavar only cycle (been hearing that it shuts down the HPTA way less than Winstrol and other AAs).
My last question is, does Winny-V or Anavar causes heart atrophy (like clen)?

Thanks for your help

all aas will cause atrophy to some degree...

var will shut you down to a degree as will winny. Everyone is different bro.

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[gearbox]

You are too young
one little var only cycle will do nothing for you
your better off spending more money on steak fish and chicken

[stpete]

Oh hi.. sorry for my lack of knowledge man. What do you think on Winstrol V only cycle or Anavar only cycle?

Considering I would start Anavar 40mg ED and going up if needed (not exceeding 70mg). Along with Arimidex and HCG. Then tamoxifen PCT 40/30/20.

Forget your age as we know you are too young. I simply believe you need a good diet. you have NO complex carbs in your diet. You make the same mistake i made when i was your age believing everything came from protein. And it's not totally your fault. It's fed to us by magazines and disrtributers. Not that it's not important, but when bulking, carbs play major role. Even over protein in by book.
Here's what i suggest...Why not head over to the diet section and post your diet for those crazed fools to look at? They will tweak it and help you better that anyone i know! Can you do that first before we start talking about AAS. Cause really, it's all for not without the diet. Take it from someone who learned the hard way.

[austinite]

Sorry if I might be annoying with my questions but the point is that I'm mentally ready to try it. About stunting my growth, I'm good standing good at 6 feet. About my HPTA, I'm talking about one of the mildest AAs out there that has barely no effect on it and I'm willing to take HCG during the cycle.

Not at all. I'm actually happy that you are asking questions and more happy that you didn't lie about your age. I just wanted to make a similar statement to yours, so that you can see what I am seeing.

I wish you the best of luck, you have 2 choices. Fix your diet and training, and you will have guaranteed growth. Or you can start a cycle, and have a great chance at screwing up your system and end up on TRT for life. It's not exactly fun.

Just be smart.

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[warmouth]

I know I'm too young to cycle but this idea of cycling has been stuck in my mind for a while and I want to try a small compound before trying a bigger one

2 things I see here. You admit you are too young(in fact, you KNOW you are). Second thing I see is that you want to try a small compound before trying a bigger one. Do you understand that winstrol is NOT a small compound? Have you researched winstrol? It is oneof the most powerful compounds out there. Not to mention the liver toxicity. You are insane to even want to run another compound since youstill have the boob problem. Winny will supress your HPTA, I do know where you are hearing it wont. Orals are not the safest means of cycling. But neither is your age. Research winstrol and dont underestimate it by thinking it is a minor compound.

[austinite]

please post your diet in the nutri section. Macros, everything...

here you can see how to get your TDEE http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UAZE6GGe7wk

Then read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UAZE42Ge7wk

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[stpete]

So you are telling me that my fruit intake (mentioned Bananas+Apples as an example), my veggies intake (more than 200g), approx 125g of brown rice, 2 medium potatos and all the yogourt I'm taking during the day aren't complex carbs? I might be mistaken but to my knowledge there's quite alot of carbs in a day of mine :S ..

Also this is an example of a diet I'm using to gain lean mass. If I'm bulking without caring of my fat intake, it sure won't be the same.

Fruit intake is simple sugars...Also in that group is yogurt. Waste of my time.

Veggies are good, but mostly water.

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[warmouth]

I was mainly asking if a 5 week Winstrol V or Anavar cycle along with HCG and Arimidex during it, with a clean PCT would affect my endocrine system less than other cycles.

You really cant be certain if it will or will not. Winny willsupress it, but to what extent? It depends onthe user. And since you have already gotten gyno after a short duration of dbol, you could be more succeptable to problems than some. Anytime you supress a natural bodily function, not matter which function, you mightnot ever go back to normal. An example would be taking laxatives. It is very common for people to become dependant on them because they use them for extended periods. Thats why the directions state not to use them for more than a week. Mymom is in the medical field and says it is very common for people to have no other choice but weekly enemas due to laxative useage. I know it is a gross example, but it is true. You cannever becertain of what is going to happen until it happens. I can tell you that I personally wouldnt run winny without test, but also wouldnt run test at your age period. You have to beat this in your brain: AT YOUR AGE,YOU ARE PRODUCING AS MUCH TESTOSTERONE AS ALOT OF GUYS TAKE FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENT! You test levels shouldbe soaring. This is what the veteran members are trying to get across to you. You will get massive gains naturally through proper diet and training. The testosterone levels you are producing will have a tremendous effect onyour body naturally till you hit 25-30. You can get steriod-like results right now if you actually try hard. Go to the gym and have the best work ethic there and see what happens in as little as a month. Work ethic in every aspect of your life willmake you a winner at whatever you do. If you bag groceries, bethe best at it.

[sharmabrah]

Not at all. I'm actually happy that you are asking questions and more happy that you didn't lie about your age. I just wanted to make a similar statement to yours, so that you can see what I am seeing.

I wish you the best of luck, you have 2 choices. Fix your diet and training, and you will have guaranteed growth. Or you can start a cycle, and have a great chance at screwing up your system and end up on TRT for life. It's not exactly fun.

Just be smart.

Whilst I do agree with what you are saying, it's pretty absurd to say that you will end up on TRT from just doing one or two Anavar only cycles. I would say that most people who end up on TRT have done, at the very least, five or more cycles (mostly more than ten though) which would include the really harsh injectables like Tren or who blast and cruise. Someone young who does one or two Anavar only cycles before they turn twenty four/five isn't going to affect them a whole lot. Yes, there is a very small chance they could be ****ed up for the rest of their life from doing one cycle, but the odds are very low.

I will use myself as an example here. When I first created my account on here I was looking to do an Anavar cycle - however I was put off by some knowledgeable members advising me and helping me out and sending me PM's which I am very grateful for. I have now created a strict diet I will stick to for three months and see how I go and hopefully keep progressing. But anyway, I personally don't want that bodybuilder physique (stocky, wide waist, look like a nugget) and instead want that underwear model look (tapered waistline, v-shape, everything in proportion) but still being a good size. I don't want to be skinny and have a six pack lol, I still want to be big but lean instead of stocky. So someone who is looking for this same look such as myself, they would be less inclined to use AAS as regularly as some people on here. My overall point here is that surely doing one or two cycles to kickstart your gains at a young age is not a bad thing? Considering you have your diet and training in check, having all the correct supplements and doing everything right to minimize the risks.

[stpete]

Whilst I do agree with what you are saying, it's pretty absurd to say that you will end up on TRT from just doing one or two Anavar only cycles. I would say that most people who end up on TRT have done, at the very least, five or more cycles (mostly more than ten though) which would include the really harsh injectables like Tren or who blast and cruise. Someone young who does one or two Anavar only cycles before they turn twenty four/five isn't going to affect them a whole lot. Yes, there is a very small chance they could be ****ed up for the rest of their life from doing one cycle, but the odds are very low.

I will use myself as an example here. When I first created my account on here I was looking to do an Anavar cycle - however I was put off by some knowledgeable members advising me and helping me out and sending me PM's which I am very grateful for. I have now created a strict diet I will stick to for three months and see how I go and hopefully keep progressing. But anyway, I personally don't want that bodybuilder physique (stocky, wide waist, look like a nugget) and instead want that underwear model look (tapered waistline, v-shape, everything in proportion) but still being a good size. I don't want to be skinny and have a six pack lol, I still want to be big but lean instead of stocky. So someone who is looking for this same look such as myself, they would be less inclined to use AAS as regularly as some people on here. My overall point here is that surely doing one or two cycles to kickstart your gains at a young age is not a bad thing? Considering you have your diet and training in check, having all the correct supplements and doing everything right to minimize the risks.

I love it when people say "kickstart my gains." You are still using and the same risks apply regardless of age. You are just more susceptible to them.

[sharmabrah]

I love it when people say "kickstart my gains." You are still using and the same risks apply regardless of age. You are just more susceptible to them.

Yes but did you read my whole post man? I was saying surely someone who regularly uses and have so their whole life would be more susceptible to having to go on TRT? A maximum of three cycles (not even injecting or using harsh stuff, just Anavar) before turning twenty five would surely not hurt? Most people my age who cycle or choose to have pathetic diets and training routines, some not even doing a proper PCT or liver support.

[austinite]

Whilst I do agree with what you are saying, it's pretty absurd to say that you will end up on TRT from just doing one or two Anavar only cycles. I would say that most people who end up on TRT have done, at the very least, five or more cycles (mostly more than ten though) which would include the really harsh injectables like Tren or who blast and cruise. Someone young who does one or two Anavar only cycles before they turn twenty four/five isn't going to affect them a whole lot. Yes, there is a very small chance they could be ****ed up for the rest of their life from doing one cycle, but the odds are very low.

I will use myself as an example here. When I first created my account on here I was looking to do an Anavar cycle - however I was put off by some knowledgeable members advising me and helping me out and sending me PM's which I am very grateful for. I have now created a strict diet I will stick to for three months and see how I go and hopefully keep progressing. But anyway, I personally don't want that bodybuilder physique (stocky, wide waist, look like a nugget) and instead want that underwear model look (tapered waistline, v-shape, everything in proportion) but still being a good size. I don't want to be skinny and have a six pack lol, I still want to be big but lean instead of stocky. So someone who is looking for this same look such as myself, they would be less inclined to use AAS as regularly as some people on here. My overall point here is that surely doing one or two cycles to kickstart your gains at a young age is not a bad thing? Considering you have your diet and training in check, having all the correct supplements and doing everything right to minimize the risks.

Where do you get your info? At his age I did ONE cycle that I didn't even finish. I'm on TRT since age 31, no function down there and no test production since age 27. 100% because of that one uneducated cycle. Maybe Im not in the majority... but it;s one of those things that we say all the time.. "Thats not going to happen to me". How mild a steroid is has nothing to do with how you will react to it compared to someone else. the point is, dont risk it at a young age. You shouldn't encourage this.

The odds are low? That is exactly what I said when I was a kid, like you at age 20.

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[sharmabrah]

Alright I guess I see the point though. What kind of cycle was it? At the age of 20, were you aware of PCT, SERMS, AI and substances like HCG? I'm not sure about this but I doubt the bodybuilding community few decades ago was as educated as it is now.

You do make a valid point. I'm certain even ten years ago things would have been different - more people not doing proper PCT or having proper diets or training. Not saying that Austinite didn't do everything correctly, but surely if you do everything you possibly can to minimize the risks (liver support, PCT, other supplements, great training, great diet) then you are at a much smaller risk. Added to the fact I am never going to pin and I know for a fact I never will, I would only do Anavar. But I do see what Austinite is saying nonetheless.

[gearbox]

You do make a valid point. I'm certain even ten years ago things would have been different - more people not doing proper PCT or having proper diets or training. Not saying that Austinite didn't do everything correctly, but surely if you do everything you possibly can to minimize the risks (liver support, PCT, other supplements, great training, great diet) then you are at a much smaller risk. Added to the fact I am never going to pin and I know for a fact I never will, I would only do Anavar. But I do see what Austinite is saying nonetheless.

Not sure if you are recommending here, but we do not support aas for youngsters...

op-you can do everything right and still have problems down the road. Many not tomo or next year, but they will mostly likely become problems if you decide to cycle this young.

[stpete]

Yes but did you read my whole post man? I was saying surely someone who regularly uses and have so their whole life would be more susceptible to having to go on TRT? A maximum of three cycles (not even injecting or using harsh stuff, just Anavar) before turning twenty five would surely not hurt? Most people my age who cycle or choose to have pathetic diets and training routines, some not even doing a proper PCT or liver support.

Yep, i read your post. and i just read it again. You, my friend, could end up being the poster child for HRT.

Take some time and do some research. You will be only doing yourself a disservice not us. But we are here to help as much as possible to those who have open ears.

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