Just read Dr.Shippens book

[Oldhighlander]

There is lots of good info there and some things I really didn't like.I read it with the intention of giving it to my doc as ammo to treat my high E.He does recommend getting the E and T in balance.He says E should be around 30.I like this part and am trying to get my doc to see the light.Shippen treats it with zinc which I tried and it did nothing.Blood work backed that up.And soy protein.Am I wrong or doesn't soy raise your E?Also he says injections are the worst delivery system because it causes spikes that may go over theraputic levels.Has he never heard of lower doses more often?I didn't want to give it to my doc because of those reasons.On the other hand I like his thoughts on T levels.He says treat the symptoms.If you feel good at 500 then thats where you need to be,If you feel good at 800 then thats where you need to be.This is what I want to convey to my doc.She was alarmed that I was at 809 on my last BW.But I felt a shit ton better at 809 then I did at 649 from previous BW.So I am a little torn as to what to do.The book was published in 1998 so I could tell her this is some good basic info but that there have been advances in this field.I just ordered Testosterone: A Man's Guide- Second Edition by Nelson Vergel.Lots of good reviews about this book on the amazon site.Anyone read this one and what do you think about it if you have?I have printed out Crislers stuff and a few other papers suggested by members here and given them to her.She is in the process of reading it.I'm still waiting to see what she has to say about what I have already given her.Just getting a little impatient and frustrated I guess.

[Times Roman]

you doc was taught to think the way the FDA wants him to think

[steroid.com 1]

Shippens book is outdated and old. Cutting edge at the time but now very dated. In fact, just skimming through Morgantaler's book it has some parts that are also dated now.

Nelson's book is excellent and a great read. He's a great guy and I've had the chance to correspond with him on a number of TRT related issues and while he's not a Doc he's well respected in the medical community.

You may be better off printing off Dr. Crisler's paper on TRT; that's a tad dated but addresses all issues mostly missed by untrained Docs.

[Oldhighlander]

G dated for sure but still some good basic info there.Good to hear about nelsons book.Does he address AI's?Thats what I am really looking for.She is reluctant to give me one because she is not familiar with there use yet.I am trying to give her an education.I did pass along Crislers papers and it has been a waiting game so far for her to read them and get back to me on her decision.A game I don't play real well.In her defense she has been super busy with one doc out of the office on maturnity leave and having to pick up the slack so I am trying to cut her a break but my patience is wearing thin.If you can recommend any other books I would be most greatful.

[HRTstudent]

Everyone has their good and bad points.

What matters to you is how YOU react to the various treatments. Only way to find out is to do.

[Oldhighlander]

Very Yoda like comment HRT but right on the money.I am finding out for myself that it's true.I have made progress with my testosterone dosage and frequency now I want to get my high E down to see if I can feel even better then I do already from the test.Now I just gotta get the doc to prescribe.

[juice2012]

What other good T related books are out there besides the ones mentioned in this thread?

[Oldhighlander]

Juice I did a search on amazon and found quite a few.I read the comments posted by people who bought the books and went from there.But I am looking for others that the members here can recommend as well.As an example Testosterone for Life: Recharge Your Vitality, Sex Drive, Muscle Mass, and Overall Health by Abraham Morgentaler (Oct 27, 2008) It was recommended by a member but The comments said it didn't address estrogen so I steered clear of it.

[xtitan1]

Morgentaler's book was okay. It had a lot of info about symptoms and signs of low T as well as what gains to expect in these areas when doing TRT. He also has an entire chapter about why TRT doesn't cause cancer but may in fact prevent it. Furthermore he highlights the importance of free and bioavailable testosterone over total testosterone for clinical diagnosis. He doesn't really address Estrogen, and seems to be okay with "trials" which, as GD pointed out, sounds like he's putting people on TRT and then letting them go cold turkey if they don't feel better. He doesn't get into very much detail on clomid or HCG, and doesn't mention AIs.

The Shippen book I haven't read yet, but own. I was skimming through and read this gem:

Injections. This is still the most common method of replacing testosterone, and it is infintely the worst. Most negative medical studies on testosterone use were conducted using injections. Unfortunately, this mode of replacement raises testosterone levels far to [sic.] abruptly and often to a nonphysiological height. This not only very poorly imitates the body's own pattern, but frequently causes a rebound effect in the form of increased estrogen levels. Since there are no advantages to the use of injections, this entire mode of replacement is ripe for the trash can. (Shippen, 196)

[Oldhighlander]

Gdevine I have just finished reading Nelson book and you are right about all the good info.I have been in contact with him and he seems to be a very good guy.Sent an email and he got back to me right away.Didn't expect that.I would recommend his book for sure.

[steroid.com 1]

Nelson's a great guy and one who really cares about mens health.

He's got a great blog on FB in case anyone is interested in joining...great source of information.

[xtitan1]

GD I am interested, is this it or something else:

http://www.facebook.com/PoWeRUSA

Also, has Shippen updated his methods since writing that book? He actually is very close nearby to me.

[xtitan1]

Sorry for double post, but I just saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4IRM...feature=relmfu

and I really liked what I saw. From my own thyroid research I get the sense he knows his stuff, is interested in discussing it with other doctors as evidenced by the fact he was doing this lecture. He practices an hour's drive from me. Maybe I should go see him.

[Oldhighlander]

Gdevine I was in contact with Nelson and he has offerd a couple of free consultations.I was considering asking him if he would talk to my doc instead of me and try to help her help me and her other patients.What do you think?I would ask her if she would be open to talk to him.