Fasting or 6 Meals to cut Help

[scottrotton]

Hi all im looking for some guidance, I am looking to cut up and following the unofficial how to cut diet in the stickys on this forum, which I was doing my research I found that lots of small meals keeps insulin high which is stopping fat loss. Here is a link to a site that says it, ive read this in quiet a few places now and wanted to know if the diet I am doing is any good, it was written in 2003 and alot of new information has been discovered now.

[fatman225]

Hi all im looking for some guidance, I am looking to cut up and following the unofficial how to cut diet in the stickys on this forum, which I was doing my research I found that lots of small meals keeps insulin high which is stopping fat loss. Here is a link to a site that says it, ive read this in quiet a few places now and wanted to know if the diet I am doing is any good, it was written in 2003 and alot of new information has been discovered now.

I'm a huge advocate of Intermittent Fasting (IF).

Take a look at my diet log: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...€™s-IF-Journey.

There should be another picture update around the 26th of this month too.

[< <Samson> >]

Speaking from real life experience here. I never tried a IF type of diet, sounds likeit does work quite well. When I start a cut, & just have I eat a minimum of 5 meals a day. All spaced fairly evenly throughout the day. Just like the last 2 times I did this, this time is the same. The pounds just shed, & shed hard. In under 2 weeks I lost 14Lbs. Too bad about half is water, but non the less it does work.

[Tx89]

Both ways certainly work, but I believe for the endo or endo/meso bodytype IF is the superior way of cutting due to the hormonal environment it creates.
Personally I also find it a lot easier to stick to, because thinking about what and when to eat next just gets a pain in the ass for me after some weeks. At the end of the day the best diet is the one you stick to though, but sticking to IF is pretty much cake once you are used to it :-)

[RaginCajun]

it depends on your lifestyle. have to figure out what works for you. i went from 6-8 meals a day to 2-3. i have been doing it since the beginning of the year and love it.

[gbrice75]

More frequent feedings will keep insulin higher (not necessarily HIGH) than when in a fasted state. However, the argument can also be made that levels will be more stable this way. Insulin will be present in the bloodstream but shouldn't vary much between meals.

On the flip side, fasting will keep levels suppressed (and therefore also stable) during the fasting period, but will have much larger spikes when meals are consumed. However, the benefit is the long window of suppressed insulin optimizes the ability to burn bodyfat more efficiently.

In either case, insulin 'spikes' can be mitigated by making the right food choices. If you eat a bunch of sugary stuff, even fruit... then yes, levels will rise higher than if you were eating a starchy complex carb. This is where food choice matters IMO.

[< <Samson> >]

If you eat a bunch of sugary stuff, even fruit...

I miss sugary foods. . . Specially fruits. The GF went out and bough some fresh peaches and a bunch of other stuff. . . Maaan


But, it's true for sure. Sugar from any source will fvck with you pretty hard. Currently I have cut my sugar intake to damn near nothing.

[Times Roman]

More frequent feedings will keep insulin higher (not necessarily HIGH) than when in a fasted state. However, the argument can also be made that levels will be more stable this way. Insulin will be present in the bloodstream but shouldn't vary much between meals.

On the flip side, fasting will keep levels suppressed (and therefore also stable) during the fasting period, but will have much larger spikes when meals are consumed. However, the benefit is the long window of suppressed insulin optimizes the ability to burn bodyfat more efficiently.

In either case, insulin 'spikes' can be mitigated by making the right food choices. If you eat a bunch of sugary stuff, even fruit... then yes, levels will rise higher than if you were eating a starchy complex carb. This is where food choice matters IMO.

ha ha ha....

yer on the fence!

(drum roll)

and the verdict is.....?

[mockery]

More frequent feedings will keep insulin higher (not necessarily HIGH) than when in a fasted state. However, the argument can also be made that levels will be more stable this way. Insulin will be present in the bloodstream but shouldn't vary much between meals.

On the flip side, fasting will keep levels suppressed (and therefore also stable) during the fasting period, but will have much larger spikes when meals are consumed. However, the benefit is the long window of suppressed insulin optimizes the ability to burn bodyfat more efficiently.

In either case, insulin 'spikes' can be mitigated by making the right food choices. If you eat a bunch of sugary stuff, even fruit... then yes, levels will rise higher than if you were eating a starchy complex carb. This is where food choice matters IMO.

Not to mention the nifty extra GH release when fasting, scaling up, with bigger jumps at16h, 18h peaking at around 20 hours fasted.

[mockery]

i just changed from IF protocol to 8 meals a day and i forget to eat most of them, and end up eating them all together in 2-3 meals anyways. Im pro IF protocol. But IF protocol isnt needed for regular diet needs you can diet down easily to 10% with a regular diet plan.

[gbrice75]

ha ha ha....

yer on the fence!

(drum roll)

and the verdict is.....?

I am? What's the issue? lol...

Not to mention the nifty extra GH release when fasting, scaling up, with bigger jumps at16h, 18h peaking at around 20 hours fasted.

Yep.

i just changed from IF protocol to 8 meals a day and i forget to eat most of them, and end up eating them all together in 2-3 meals anyways. Im pro IF protocol. But IF protocol isnt needed for regular diet needs you can diet down easily to 10% with a regular diet plan.

Agreed. As always, it boils down to what works best for an individual. If IF helps you stick to a diet, go for it. I'm the perfect example. I've dieted down to aobut 9% using a standard bodybuilder diet. I actually have better results than with IF - however from a lifestyle standpoint I like IF better... and am still a big advocate. I probably could have tweaked IF to work as well for me as a standard diet, i'm just lazy lol.

[Times Roman]

I am? What's the issue? lol... .

the original question...
"Fasting or 6 Meals to cut"

you spelled out the pros and cons for each, but never gave an opinion as to which you think is the better approach, everything else being equal?

I'm of the mind that 6 meals is better,

my son is currently running the IF and singing it's praises.....

[RaginCajun]

the original question...
"Fasting or 6 Meals to cut"

you spelled out the pros and cons for each, but never gave an opinion as to which you think is the better approach, everything else being equal?

I'm of the mind that 6 meals is better,

my son is currently running the IF and singing it's praises.....

your son is lucky to have an old wise fart like you that is into nutrition and such. go head old man!

[gbrice75]

the original question...
"Fasting or 6 Meals to cut"

you spelled out the pros and cons for each, but never gave an opinion as to which you think is the better approach, everything else being equal?

I'm of the mind that 6 meals is better,

my son is currently running the IF and singing it's praises.....

Such as the case with just about everything else in this lifestyle, it comes down to the individual. Some respond extremely well to IF, some don't, and some don't respond at all. I personally seem to respond better to more frequent smaller meals, but I like the IF approach better for other reasons (satiety, sanity, and quality of life to name a few). I think it's relevant to point out that I have spent years tweaking 'traditional' dieting, and only a few months here and there playing with IF... so I can't really say everything else is equal. i.e. this could easily be why I seem to respond better to the former - more time refining = dialed in.

[scottrotton]

thanks for the info, I will give it a try, how many days a week worked for you guys that tried IF or did you do it everyday?

[gbrice75]

^^ it's generally an everyday thing, but my recent run was 5 consecutive days (M-F). I basically had 'normal' weekends.

[--->>405<<---]

the original question...
"Fasting or 6 Meals to cut"

you spelled out the pros and cons for each, but never gave an opinion as to which you think is the better approach, everything else being equal?

I'm of the mind that 6 meals is better,

my son is currently running the IF and singing it's praises.....

dang TR! i pictured u my age (37) or even younger (late twenties)!!! how old r u?

[Times Roman]

Such as the case with just about everything else in this lifestyle, it comes down to the individual. Some respond extremely well to IF, some don't, and some don't respond at all. I personally seem to respond better to more frequent smaller meals, but I like the IF approach better for other reasons (satiety, sanity, and quality of life to name a few). I think it's relevant to point out that I have spent years tweaking 'traditional' dieting, and only a few months here and there playing with IF... so I can't really say everything else is equal. i.e. this could easily be why I seem to respond better to the former - more time refining = dialed in.

As I thought. What my son is doing, his body is responding to, but grudgingly. He gains easy, and I cut easy. But I've got years and years of experience making the barbells go up and down, where as he has been doing this seriously maybe 18 months. For me, after you've been doing thiis along time, when you snap them reins, the ponies DO bolt (although at my age, it takes longer)

dang TR! i pictured u my age (37) or even younger (late twenties)!!! how old r u?

37??

You, my friend, are a pup. I'm looking at 51 in a few months......

BUT, it's not about how many candles you've managed to collect on the birthday cake, is it?

[baseline_9]

My take is that meal timing over a 24 hour period is probably not relevant....

Macro Breakdown, food choices and most importantly total calories are what count over that 24 hour time frame...


I read into the whole IF thing and ran it for over 5 months, I was going through a rough training/diet period however and my food choices were terrible and It didnt work out well for me.... However nothing would have considering the amount of crap and calories I was eating...


So to answer your question.... IF or 6 meals a day?

I will mirror what other have already said, do what works for you because it really doesnt matter that much

[--->>405<<---]

37??

You, my friend, are a pup. I'm looking at 51 in a few months......

BUT, it's not about how many candles you've managed to collect on the birthday cake, is it?

i like the way u think T.R.

[mockery]

thanks for the info, I will give it a try, how many days a week worked for you guys that tried IF or did you do it everyday?

the IF protocols that seem to have the best support seems to be 18/6 daily fast and the once a week 24 hour fast.