Stepping into the dark side...

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Making the jump to tren. Not sure if anyone is following the BB comp in the lounge but Im in it. Basically need to get to 225 by jan 1st. 203 now, going to start cycle on Oct. 22 and plan on natty bulking to 210 by then so that leaves me with 15 lbs to gain from this cycle. Done a sust only cycle @ 500/week and prop @ 500/week + tbol @ 50 mg/week.

6'0'
203 lbs
12-13% bf

Planned cycle is:

Prop @ 150 mg eod, weeks 1-10
Dbol @ 40 mg ed, weeks 1-4
Tren Ace @ 100 eod, weeks 1-10

HCG 250 iu 2x/week, weeks 1-10
Aromasin 12.5 mg eod, weeks 1-10
Prami 0.25 mg, weeks 1-10 (0.125 mg for first week)
UDCA 500 mg ed, weeks 1-4

PCT:
Nolva 40/30/20/10
Torem 120/90/90/60

Nizoral 1% shampoo, weeks 1-10


Will adjust aromasin and prami as needed.

[AD]

all the best for the comp, bro.

[lopef234]

Its ketoconazole at 1 percent. People need to stop saying Nizoral.
What happens if people from other country can't find ''Nizoral?'' then they'll waste more time and money trying to buy it online, when they can just buy a ketoconazole shampoo at the pharmachy. Justsaying.

[songdog]

Good luck!

[stpete]

Looks good.

Good Luck in the comp!

[AD]

Its ketoconazole at 1 percent. People need to stop saying Nizoral.
What happens if people from other country can't find ''Nizoral?'' then they'll waste more time and money trying to buy it online, when they can just buy a ketoconazole shampoo at the pharmachy. Justsaying.

i think anyone who knows how to buy anything online will also know how to use google to find a generic that's available

[Lunk1]

Making the jump to tren. Not sure if anyone is following the BB comp in the lounge but Im in it. Basically need to get to 225 by jan 1st. 203 now, going to start cycle on Oct. 22 and plan on natty bulking to 210 by then so that leaves me with 15 lbs to gain from this cycle. Done a sust only cycle @ 500/week and prop @ 500/week + tbol @ 50 mg/week.

6'0'
203 lbs
12-13% bf

Planned cycle is:

Prop @ 150 mg eod, weeks 1-10
Dbol @ 40 mg ed, weeks 1-4
Tren Ace @ 100 eod, weeks 1-10

HCG 250 iu 2x/week, weeks 1-10
Aromasin 12.5 mg eod, weeks 1-10
Prami 0.25 mg, weeks 1-10 (0.125 mg for first week)
UDCA 500 mg ed, weeks 1-4

PCT:
Nolva 40/30/20/10
Torem 120/90/90/60

Nizoral 1% shampoo, weeks 1-10


Will adjust aromasin and prami as needed.

I would run your Tren at 125mg eod and test at trt dose like 50mg eod.

Let the Tren do it's job and the test is really just there for shutdown.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

I would run your Tren at 125mg eod and test at trt dose like 50mg eod.

Let the Tren do it's job and the test is really just there for shutdown.

Yea, I was kind of thinking of doing that. But for my first run I think I might just run this dose of test just because, 1. I have enough, 2. Ive run this amount before and know exactly how I'll react to it, 3. The extra boost from the higher test will my goals which are going to be pretty hard top achieve. I definetily get the theory behind just doing a trt dose for test but for my first run I'd be more comforatable just knowing exactly what sides are from the tren as I know sides I get from that much test.

Thanks for the heads up on the shampoo, I've actually never ran anything for my hair before so this part is new for me.

Thanks for the well wishes on the comp. Time to start eating.

[Capebuffalo]

This is a terrible idea you should not run tren. You should stay natty at least until 1/2/13 . Maybe buy some protein power and creatine.. Listen to me. I know a doctor.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

This is a terrible idea you should not run tren. You should stay natty at least until 1/2/13 . Maybe buy some protein power and creatine.. Listen to me. I know a doctor.

Just like you, eh? Well if you know a doctor I should probably listen. But I heard protein powder can kill my liver, hmmm.

[Lunk1]

Yea, I was kind of thinking of doing that. But for my first run I think I might just run this dose of test just because, 1. I have enough, 2. Ive run this amount before and know exactly how I'll react to it, 3. The extra boost from the higher test will my goals which are going to be pretty hard top achieve. I definetily get the theory behind just doing a trt dose for test but for my first run I'd be more comforatable just knowing exactly what sides are from the tren as I know sides I get from that much test.

I am not sure I understand your logic completely. 1. Having enough of something is not the best reason to do it 2. I don't believe there will be any extra BOOST from the higher test than tren ratio you are considering. and if you already KNOW what sides you will get from the test then you will know if any new sides are from the Tren. The Tren being the stronger compound of the 2 it simply makes more sense to let Tren be your friend and the only reason to even have the test at all is the shut down issues.

But...whatever you decide. Good luck! You have some stiff competition (a little pun intended lol)

[BlueWaffle21]

Jump on amazon and get the 2% shampoo, it's pretty cheap. Also check out DS Labs Spectral DNC, Razor turned me onto it for preventing hairloss. It's on amazon as well and runs roughly $30 a month.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Jump on amazon and get the 2% shampoo, it's pretty cheap. Also check out DS Labs Spectral DNC, Razor turned me onto it for preventing hairloss. It's on amazon as well and runs roughly $30 a month.

Thanks for the heads up, will do.

[BlueWaffle21]

Thanks for the heads up, will do.

Yeah buddy!

[Capebuffalo]

Just like you, eh? Well if you know a doctor I should probably listen. But I heard protein powder can kill my liver, hmmm.

I would like to be like a mentor/big brother to you. I will help you mold you. Just listen to me. This will be great.

Seriously. If you haven't used tren use A and start out low. You can always increase. Tren is not a thing to take lightly. Be careful with it. And that's for your best interest (health).

[Capebuffalo]

Serious again where did you get the dosages for you PCT? Have never seen those numbers.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Serious again where did you get the dosages for you PCT? Have never seen those numbers.

Really? The nolva is pretty standard. Little different than the usual 40 40 20 20. I just like to gradually decrease. Never used torem though, are those number off?

I'll be keeping a close eye on my sides from the tren and adjust accordingly. Was already planning on using ace aswell jic I need to come off quickly.

[Capebuffalo]

Bump for Ink

[MuscleInk]

Hey, someone call for a doctor?

Cycle looks pretty good. I'd personally run tren higher if you wanted some better mass but it sounds like you are close enough to the end goal that 100-125 EOD should suffice. I'm running 450mg/wk and not seeing as much size as I expected but I'm tweaking my cycle now and dropping tren in favor of other mass enhancing compounds.

Your PCT is fine and the torem is a popular protocol, however, when it comes to torem, I usually advise a more conservative protocol of 90/60/60/30 due to the QT prolongation risks of torem. These risks are higher amoung those predisposed to cardiac events, with a history of familial cardiac conditions or individuals with elevated BP, hypercholestermia or hyperlipidemia - common artifacs from cycling gear in body builders. You are young enough however that I don't expect this to be a significant risk so the proposed torem should be safe enough.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Hey, someone call for a doctor?

Cycle looks pretty good. I'd personally run tren higher if you wanted some better mass but it sounds like you are close enough to the end goal that 100-125 EOD should suffice. I'm running 450mg/wk and not seeing as much size as I expected but I'm tweaking my cycle now and dropping tren in favor of other mass enhancing compounds.

Your PCT is fine and the torem is a popular protocol, however, when it comes to torem, I usually advise a more conservative protocol of 90/60/60/30 due to the QT prolongation risks of torem. These risks are higher amoung those predisposed to cardiac events, with a history of familial cardiac conditions or individuals with elevated BP, hypercholestermia or hyperlipidemia - common artifacs from cycling gear in body builders. You are young enough however that I don't expect this to be a significant risk so the proposed torem should be safe enough.

Thanks for the input, I will revise my torem dosage.

[Capebuffalo]

Thanks for the input, I will revise my torem dosage.

I told you I know a doctor. Now will you listen to me ?

[kelkel]

Listen to him until you hear the classic line "this may feel a bit uncomfortable," then run!

[AD]

i am not familiar with torem, but i think this post might be useful...

No, Tore needs to be dosed higher than that if you actually read the data on it.

After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 (+25%) and Test from 496.59 to 709.79 (+42%), as shown here.

I suggest running 120mg/ED for the first 14 days, then 60mg/ED for 4 weeks.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

i am not familiar with torem, but i think this post might be useful...

Hm, seems like I need to hit the books again about torem.

[warmouth]

Yea, I was kind of thinking of doing that. But for my first run I think I might just run this dose of test just because, 1. I have enough, 2. Ive run this amount before and know exactly how I'll react to it, 3. The extra boost from the higher test will my goals which are going to be pretty hard top achieve. I definetily get the theory behind just doing a trt dose for test but for my first run I'd be more comforatable just knowing exactly what sides are from the tren as I know sides I get from that much test.

Thanks for the heads up on the shampoo, I've actually never ran anything for my hair before so this part is new for me.

Thanks for the well wishes on the comp. Time to start eating.

I thinkthat is a good idea as well! I dontknow what tren will do either and feel the higher test on the first cycle would be benefical in case you needed to stop the tren. Youre 3rd point is nil in my personal opinion. Since the tren is 500/500, it would give you way more of the boost. I actually think, in theory, that tren will somewhat over-ride the test is ran at high/high dose. A theory, not science. Looks like a neat cycle, and an experience one too.