Please help!

[thomo94]

hey guys!!

im in a bit of an issue, me and my friend have been on a Test Prop cycle for 4 weeks now, at 100ml EOD, (we are seeing great lean gains as well)...

Now, heres the issue...we want to run Test P for 10-12 weeks, and we have someone with HGH, Clen and T3 lined up for us...
As this is our first cycle, and we want to be as safe as possible! i would really like to know what the best results are for taking either 1, or more of these as a cutting agent, and when to do so in this cycle and how much??

we have been told to approach the Clean at around week 8, and then PCT for end of cycle, and then start on T3 once the 10-12 test prop is over????

is this a load of bullshit???

all we want is lean gains, and to cut up for summer (i live in AUS) please help! as we don't want to ruin the cycle!

Info:

Myself-
Age-18
Weight-82kg
14-15% BF
training for 3 yrs

My friend-

Age-21
Weight-98kg
14% BF
training for 4 yrs


PLEASE HELP! thanks guys!

[swm1972]

At your age and experience level you are throwing money away buying and using HGH. T3 and Clen can help shed weight but I'd be careful about getting to concerned with getting lean post cycle. Cutting too soon is an excellent way to destroy the gains you just made. Many people claim Clen has anabolic or anti catabolic properties. That has never been my experience. If you want to cut do it on cycle. In an elevated androgen level environment (on cycle) muscle wasting is extremely limited in comparison to doing it natural.

[songdog]

Bro you are only 18yrs old you risk doing serious damage to your endo system.Stop now and do a pct.

[cel89]

hey guys!!

im in a bit of an issue, me and my friend have been on a Test Prop cycle for 4 weeks now, at 100ml EOD, (we are seeing great lean gains as well)...

Now, heres the issue...we want to run Test P for 10-12 weeks, and we have someone with HGH, Clen and T3 lined up for us...
As this is our first cycle, and we want to be as safe as possible! i would really like to know what the best results are for taking either 1, or more of these as a cutting agent, and when to do so in this cycle and how much??

we have been told to approach the Clean at around week 8, and then PCT for end of cycle, and then start on T3 once the 10-12 test prop is over????

is this a load of bullshit???

all we want is lean gains, and to cut up for summer (i live in AUS) please help! as we don't want to ruin the cycle!

Info:

Myself-
Age-18
Weight-82kg
14-15% BF
training for 3 yrs

My friend-

Age-21
Weight-98kg
14% BF
training for 4 yrs


PLEASE HELP! thanks guys!

you trying to cut for stereo?

[Lunk1]

hey guys!!

im in a bit of an issue, me and my friend have been on a Test Prop cycle for 4 weeks now, at 100ml EOD, (we are seeing great lean gains as well)...

Now, heres the issue...we want to run Test P for 10-12 weeks, and we have someone with HGH, Clen and T3 lined up for us...
As this is our first cycle, and we want to be as safe as possible! i would really like to know what the best results are for taking either 1, or more of these as a cutting agent, and when to do so in this cycle and how much??

we have been told to approach the Clean at around week 8, and then PCT for end of cycle, and then start on T3 once the 10-12 test prop is over????

is this a load of bullshit???

all we want is lean gains, and to cut up for summer (i live in AUS) please help! as we don't want to ruin the cycle!

Info:

Myself-
Age-18
Weight-82kg
14-15% BF
training for 3 yrs

My friend-

Age-21
Weight-98kg
14% BF
training for 4 yrs


PLEASE HELP! thanks guys!

Do to the fact that you say you are 4 weeks into this I highly doubt anything I say is going to make you stop so let me say this. You run less risk and will see the same gains from running your prop NO MORE than 8 weeks. Then follow with proper PCT. To run prop 12 weeks risks serious shutdown which at your age means a long life of TRT. Why take this risk when your natural test is all ready at max. levels.

Honestly you will not see any advantage between 8 weeks and 10-12. Only major disadvantages

[Bevsta123]

hey guys!!

im in a bit of an issue, me and my friend have been on a Test Prop cycle for 4 weeks now, at 100ml EOD, (we are seeing great lean gains as well)...

Now, heres the issue...we want to run Test P for 10-12 weeks, and we have someone with HGH, Clen and T3 lined up for us...
As this is our first cycle, and we want to be as safe as possible! i would really like to know what the best results are for taking either 1, or more of these as a cutting agent, and when to do so in this cycle and how much??

we have been told to approach the Clean at around week 8, and then PCT for end of cycle, and then start on T3 once the 10-12 test prop is over????

is this a load of bullshit???

all we want is lean gains, and to cut up for summer (i live in AUS) please help! as we don't want to ruin the cycle!

Info:

Myself-
Age-18
Weight-82kg
14-15% BF
training for 3 yrs

My friend-

Age-21
Weight-98kg
14% BF
training for 4 yrs


PLEASE HELP! thanks guys!

im not going to bombard you with stuff like you and your friend are too young, your old enough to have made your choice (just not smart enough), just saying personally if that was me id drop the clen and T3 and end the cycle with some winny (weeks 8-12) low dose something like 30-40mg/day. heard cases of people upping the last week of the winny to like 60-70mg to get lean as fvck and drop that BF low before competition but i wouldnt personally especially if its just for summer/stereo. not worth the liver strain

Report back at the end of your cycle, and at the end of your PCT im eager to hear about your body and how your feeling.

FYI start your PCT 14 days after your last Test pin, i got a feeling your lacking your knowledge on this cycle

Edit: Just realized your running prop and not Test E, dont really have much to comment on prop as im not too clued up on it

you trying to cut for stereo?

Seems like it ;D

[Capebuffalo]

Stop now take pct. Oh well I tried

[Bevsta123]

Stop now take pct. Oh well I tried

haha i stopped caring, iv realized their 18. considered an Adult here in Australia. they can make their own decisions all we can do is aware them but other then that might aswell steer them in the right direction if they aint gona listen

PS:
Loving your shoulders in your DP, Strongdefiniton/10

[thomo94]

haha, no not cutting for anything in particular, I'm a PT in sydney and just wanting better results (as why I'm not taking hard shit, because i want to be safe with this)

[thomo94]

wow, i had no idea Lunk, i will stop at 8 weeks then, i do relies my test levels are naturally still high, but that is very good to know. thanks heaps.

[thomo94]

So, its better for me to cut with T3 or Clen than HGH (which by the way i have a scientist giving it to me for free) haha don't ask me why i know this science/chemist guy, but it helps.

and to take this while I'm on the test prop with make me loose gains?

and i do really appreciate you guys telling me to stop, and i am listening and hearing you out... although i have thought about this long and hard for a long time, and decided on the best choice of anabolic (in my opinion) nothing to synthetic or underground like. and its dossed at an even amount, no sides as of yet. but i will stop at around 8 weeks now.

i do how ever need some help with my PCT (when to start,stop, and how to take and when to take) as for the products, i get that for free once again.

[stpete]

You're too young and have no idea what you're doing. You've been advised on the t3, clen and HGH. You need to come off and do a PCT. But i know that's highly unlikely. Second best thing, do the 8 weeks, wait 3 days and start a clomid/nolva PCT.

Don't you think a little research on your part would of helped. I mean, it's only your body we're talking about here.

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva:40/40/20/20

Those are mgs per day for 4 weeks of each.

[thomo94]

i did all the research i needed on the test i am taking, but i never...ever had intention of taking a cutting agent so thats why I'm needing some help.
the only reason I'm asking about how to mix these agents is being that i personally don't know anyone who has run JUST those...
as for anything else, i very close with IFBB/NABA pros in australia and AUS champs, i ask them, but what they advise mostly is taking with insulin, and about 10 other stacks. as for pct there is about a million of them, and now I'm finally getting more and more people saying clomid and nova, so i guess ill go with them.

As for my age, if i hadn't told anyone how old i was, even my GP, they expect me to be early/mid 20s iv always been very over developed in life for my age...and i really did ask people with first hand experience of taking it at that age who are now Pros or even hold state or country titles. everything anyone has told me is, "DONT ABUSE IT" and I'm listening.

[cel89]

You're too young and have no idea what you're doing. You've been advised on the t3, clen and HGH. You need to come off and do a PCT. But i know that's highly unlikely. Second best thing, do the 8 weeks, wait 3 days and start a clomid/nolva PCT.

Don't you think a little research on your part would of helped. I mean, it's only your body we're talking about here.

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva:40/40/20/20

Those are mgs per day for 4 weeks of each.

why such low dosage of nolva some people start at 100, and maybe he should run an AI

[Capebuffalo]

why such low dosage of nolva some people start at 100, and maybe he should run an AI

No they don't if they know what they are doing. And yes an ai is recommended on cycle