Test only first cycle, goals of it?

[euphoric]

I have been reading and researching as much as possible I have tried to read all the threads and stickies about test only first cycles, and the reasons for it. A few things I was hoping for clarification on. I don't know if I am not using the right search terms or I have overlooked these answers in another thread, or maybe I am just over thinking.

-If test only first cycle is designed to see how you react, and sides, etc. Should you run AI through the cycle "just in case" or should you have it on hand but not use it unless needed? I believe I understand its purpose, but again, if you are trying to find a baseline and see your bodies reaction.....wouldn't you want to cycle without it first to see sides (if any) or am I thinking about it wrong?

-I am also curious. Should there be a goal for this first cycle? Should you continue on the same lifting/diet program you have been on for your goals and just let the increased test levels assist in those goals? Should you switch to a bulk since you are going to have increased protein synthesis capabilities?


Thanks guys! Again been reading and searching tons and these two things keep popping up in my mind. Great site with tons of info and lots of helpful people!

[austinite]

I have been reading and researching as much as possible I have tried to read all the threads and stickies about test only first cycles, and the reasons for it. A few things I was hoping for clarification on. I don't know if I am not using the right search terms or I have overlooked these answers in another thread, or maybe I am just over thinking.

-If test only first cycle is designed to see how you react, and sides, etc. Should you run AI through the cycle "just in case" or should you have it on hand but not use it unless needed? I believe I understand its purpose, but again, if you are trying to find a baseline and see your bodies reaction.....wouldn't you want to cycle without it first to see sides (if any) or am I thinking about it wrong? You must use an AI. Why just keep it on hand when you know estrogen levels will rise?

-I am also curious. Should there be a goal for this first cycle? Should you continue on the same lifting/diet program you have been on for your goals and just let the increased test levels assist in those goals? Should you switch to a bulk since you are going to have increased protein synthesis capabilities? Of course you have to have goals. Nothing is accomplished satisfactorily without goals. Bulk if you need to bulk, cut if you need to cut.

Thanks guys! Again been reading and searching tons and these two things keep popping up in my mind. Great site with tons of info and lots of helpful people!

I think you should continue researching for quite some time. I know you didn't mention if you're going to run a cycle now, but just in case you are... I feel obligated to tell you that you are not ready.

Good luck to you.

[MuscleInk]

I think you should continue researching for quite some time. I know you didn't mention if you're going to run a cycle now, but just in case you are... I feel obligated to tell you that you are not ready.

Good luck to you.

Yes. If you're (OP) not sure if you need an AI, you still have more reading to do. You are on the right track but certainly need to read further. It's clear you aren't quite ready yet. No offense.

[freddy1418]

I have been reading and researching as much as possible I have tried to read all the threads and stickies about test only first cycles, and the reasons for it. A few things I was hoping for clarification on. I don't know if I am not using the right search terms or I have overlooked these answers in another thread, or maybe I am just over thinking.

-If test only first cycle is designed to see how you react, and sides, etc. Should you run AI through the cycle "just in case" or should you have it on hand but not use it unless needed? I believe I understand its purpose, but again, if you are trying to find a baseline and see your bodies reaction.....wouldn't you want to cycle without it first to see sides (if any) or am I thinking about it wrong?

-I am also curious. Should there be a goal for this first cycle? Should you continue on the same lifting/diet program you have been on for your goals and just let the increased test levels assist in those goals? Should you switch to a bulk since you are going to have increased protein synthesis capabilities?

Thanks guys! Again been reading and searching tons and these two things keep popping up in my mind. Great site with tons of info and lots of helpful people!

The whole ai thing depends on the person... some people NEED it and other may not really... but id have it on hand regardless cause you never know... some people take a ai regrdless if they have any sides or not... me personally I don't and have been fine thus far... as for diet it all depends on your goals... if your on a specific diet and have plateaued naturally and want to add straight lean body mass then yes you'll hve to tweak your diet to getthose results cause your body will be in a anabolic state using way more nutrients then it would normally

[gixxerboy1]

The whole ai thing depends on the person... some people NEED it and other may not really... but id have it on hand regardless cause you never know... some people take a ai regrdless if they have any sides or not... me personally I don't and have been fine thus far... as for diet it all depends on your goals... if your on a specific diet and have plateaued naturally and want to add straight lean body mass then yes you'll hve to tweak your diet to getthose results cause your body will be in a anabolic state using way more nutrients then it would normally

everyone should use an ai. Your estrogen will be elevated if your taking test. Now you may not get gyno. But you will have elevated estrogen and that causes issues with your body you cant necessarily feel.

[euphoric]

But you will have elevated estrogen and that causes issues with your body you cant necessarily feel.

Seems this is what it boils down to and why I believe you guys when you say you should always be on AI while on cycle. I have heard both ways though, hence the reason I asked. Some people say take it if sides occur and some say it should always be taken. Makes sense to take it even if you don't feel/see sides. I also feel a bit silly, I went back and read swiftos AI thread. I actually understand more and had a lot of questions answered. I thought I had read it all but apparently I never read past the first page, and the second page had lots of great info, whoops lol.

Austinite and MuscleINK I appreciate your guys concerns and recommendations as well as the respect shown in making those suggestions. Could have easily condescendingly told me the same thing. I did not mention cycling, but of course if I am on here and researching you know its most likely in the cards. I'd rather ask silly/noob questions to make sure I fully understand the whys behind everything. Try to be safe as possible and do all my research before hand as I like to be prepared rather than jump and ask questions later.

[stpete]

There's no harm or risks involved in running an AI. Keep dosages low and adjust if needed.

[fit2bOld]

Euphoric, nice to see that you are reading and asking questions that you are unclear about, this is very refreshing as opposed to many of the other threads from guys your age.

Keep doing the research, get you diet and workout on point and please make good educated decisions regardless of any peer pressure etc.

Keep workin it!!!

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

Current stats?

age
weight
height
bf?

also look into HCG as it comes very handy during cycles.

[wannabe_ninja]

My first cycle i didnt run one. Didnt get gyno but felt it could've been better. The next 2 i ran arimidex on cycle and felt great. Getting geared up for my fourth cycle going to run aromasin this time around.... just make sure you have everything you need so you're not looking for your pct when your cycle is coming to an end... stay focused and committed to the program... best of luck

[songdog]

Swifto has a sticky on AIs good read bro check it out.

[freddy1418]

everyone should use an ai. Your estrogen will be elevated if your taking test. Now you may not get gyno. But you will have elevated estrogen and that causes issues with your body you cant necessarily feel.

I stand corrected.. I was speaking on sides you could feel not sides that could possibly be there unnoticed which is a very good possibility

[t-dogg]

Its not about "just in case". Maybe you will or will not see water retention. A AI should be used regardless. You body will increase estgen when you increase Test.

[Bevsta123]

There's no harm or risks involved in running an AI. Keep dosages low and adjust if needed.

not to hijack the thread so sorry OP but stpete when would you know when to adjust?

[AD]

not to hijack the thread so sorry OP but stpete when would you know when to adjust?

the most accurate way is to check your blood estro level while on cycle and on AI.

otherwise, increase ai when you feel bloated, decrease if you feel extreme lethargy/low libido...