Should i use HCG and Aroma on first cycle?

[beans14]

First off I want to start by saying hi to everyone again. Since I've joined a couple months ago I haven't been able to be on here as much as I've wanted.
Ill start from the beginning again though to let you ll know a bit about myself. Currently I'm 31, 5'8" and 178lbs. Been training for nearly 9 years usually sit between 13-15%bf. It seems I've sat at this weight for sometime now and can't seem to get any heavier so I've been planning on a cycle for sometime now.
The plan is to use test only for 12 weeks at 500/week, then follow with Nolva weeks 14-18.
Should I use Aroma from 1-12 at a low dose and HCG week 10-14? I can't use the HCG for the duration of the cycle since I'll be away from home most of the time and can't keep it refrigerated. Does this look good? Help and advice appreciated

[gixxerboy1]

yes you should

[beans14]

Would 12.5 aroma EOD be enough, along with 500 HCG 3/week from weeks 10-12 and 250 3/week weeks 12-14 be sufficient?

[gixxerboy1]

yes on the aroma, and the hcg is better then nothing since you cant do it longer

[beans14]

Thanks for the help, couple last things though, Is using just Nolva ok for pct at 40/40/20/20 ok or should I include Clomid in that? Leave dbol out for first 4 weeks?

[Lemonada8]

HCG is 2x a week at 250iu's each time (total 500iu/week). Use it the entire cycle. You can put it in a cooler and keep it cooled there ( or in a preloaded insulin syringe, or buy some mini vials and just say its insulin if u get asked. Its very important to use HCG on a cycle.

For pct. I would def say get some clomid in there, and extend the nolva to 6 weeks.
CLomid: 100/50/50/25
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20/20

The AI usage is your choice. ( personally i dont use one... but i am also pretty educated on what im doin so its not a lack of knowledge) It proly would be on the safe side to use it.

[beans14]

If I was able to get away with using it for the duration would I just mix my 5000iu with 20ml brac water to get my 250hcg per cc?

[beans14]

My concern with that is I've been working for this company for nearly 10yrs and they know I'm not diabetic. Do I have any other options for it use?

[gixxerboy1]

are you sharing a community fridge? Or do you have a hotel room with one it in?

[beans14]

I work in a northern camp. There is a cafeteria where they do all the cooking. All I have is a room, no fridge. I do have a plug in cooler, just concerned about nosey campies who clean the rooms finding something they shouldn't. Supposed to be drug/alcohol free place.

[gixxerboy1]

i would keep it in your cooler. Get a little diabetic case and keep it in there. or buy a little box with a lock and put it in your cooler

[beans14]

I'm considering that, but if they suspect anything they have the right to search and can bring in police. I have two options then, 1) allow them access and deal with consequences or 2) pack up and leave without them searching. See my dilemma? The test vials and pills can easily be hidden. My rotation is 14 days on 7 days off, is there a way the HCG can be used on the 7 days I'm at home for the duration of the cycle?

[beans14]

Can this not work?

Week 1-12 Test cyp @ 500iu/wk
Week 1-12 aromasin @ 12.5mg Eod
Week 10-12 HCG @ 500iu 3x week
Week 12-14 HCG @ 250iu 3x week
Week 14-18 Clomid @ 100/50/50/25
Week 14-20 Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20/20

[MickeyKnox]

you have another option for running your hcg it's not as popular as twice a week or eod but it's better than introducing it for two wks, then off one wk, then back on two weeks (if i read that correctly).

if it's possible with your schedule, can you blast it for 4 wks at the END of your cycle? if so you can blast a 5k vial split up over 4wks. so you would be only concerned for a total of 2 wks on the job if you timed it right. better than having to deal with it/refrigerators/prying eyes for 10-12wks...just a thought..

[beans14]

That's exactly what I was thinking, if I timed it correctly I could blast the HCG starting week 10-14 (1 month off for christmas holidays) that would be last 2 weeks of test plus 2 weeks after last inj. prior to PCT. Should I plan HCG to be ran 8-12 instead and have 2 weeks clean before PCT? Or 10-14 taking me right into PCT like posted just before?

[MickeyKnox]

8-12. personally i would want to be using hcg while my bloods were still stable. then 18 days later start pct protocol.

[beans14]

So revised would look like this?

Week 1-12 Test Cyp @ 500iu/week
Week 1-12 Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD
Week 8-10 HCG @ 500iu 3x week
Week 10-12 HCG @ 250iu 3x week (left with 250iu after 4 weeks)
18 days later
Week 14.5-18.5 Clomid @ 100/50/50/25
Week 14.5-20.5 Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20/20

This would be recommended over running the HCG @ same dose except during week 10-14 right into the PCT if I understand you correctly.

[MickeyKnox]

that's correct. but use up that left over 250iu. just split up in a few of your injections.

[Lemonada8]

use the HCG 2x a week. It doesnt have any additional benefit goin 3x a week

[beans14]

Thanks a lot for the help Mickey. Hopefully this will help me put on a few more lbs. Do you know if this is correct, if my largest natural weight is say 170 and with a cycle I put on say 10 lbs taking me up to 180 do I need to continue to cycle every other year or so to maintain that extra 10lbs? If I stayed off AAS my body would naturally want to go back to 170 correct?

[beans14]

Lemonada8, are you saying to use the 5000iu / 4 weeks 2x weekly which = 625iu per injection?

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks a lot for the help Mickey. Hopefully this will help me put on a few more lbs. Do you know if this is correct, if my largest natural weight is say 170 and with a cycle I put on say 10 lbs taking me up to 180 do I need to continue to cycle every other year or so to maintain that extra 10lbs? If I stayed off AAS my body would naturally want to go back to 170 correct?

youre welcome.

yes, IF you didn't feed or increase your cals to reflect your new weight - assuming youre continually lifting to maintain lean muscle.

[MickeyKnox]

my rule of thought has always been the more frequent you introduce ANYTHING with an ester, whether it's aspirin or AAS, your blood will be more stable.

having said that, i don't think it's a huge deal twice or three times a wk on your intended blast of hcg. just mho..

[beans14]

Thats what I was thinking Mickey, which is why I was thinking 3x/wk. That along with reading articles on HCG stating better results with multiple doses of 500iu or less. As opposed to larger doses less often. Thanks again

[MickeyKnox]

no sweat. good luck..