What's going on? Please help

[Coolhand5599]

I am 41 yo 5'9" 200 lbs 17% bf

Been on Tren 100 eod 4 weeks
Test 200 ew
HGH 4 iu Ed
A week ago I started wini at 100 Ed

Yesterday I started to get this funny feeling and it's getting worse. I feel pressure build up from lower chest and up though my head and down my left arm. My head feels like very severe sinus pressure but I have no problems at the moment. The only thing I can think of is, I haven't given blood in about five months. And I had high hemoglobin. Could this be the problem? Any constructive thoughts welcome

[Lunk1]

My first thought is high BP given you are a litlle higher in the BF%

[JWP806]

Yeah, I'd get your blood pressure checked out. That doesn't sound very good.

[measuretwicecutonce]

ditto sounds like blood pressure. ur left arm goes straight to ur heart. that should be a HUGE reason to get checked. could also be high red blood count which in turn would also spike BP.get to the doc asap.

[greenwell001]

ditto sounds like blood pressure. ur left arm goes straight to ur heart. that should be a HUGE reason to get checked. could also be high red blood count which in turn would also spike BP.get to the doc asap.

how high is to high on RBC, im running EQ 400mg/wk?

[MuscleInk]

how high is to high on RBC, im running EQ 400mg/wk?

If the count is too high (polycythemia/erythrocytosis), there is a chance the red blood cells will clump together and block capillaries causing circulatory problems. This makes it hard for red blood cells to carry oxygen.

The threshold for a high red blood cell count is different from one medical practice to another. A high red blood cell count is generally defined as more than 5.72 million red blood cells per microliter (mcL) of blood for men and 5.03 million per mcL for women.

[Coolhand5599]

I had my blood pressure checked. It's perfect

[austinite]

Never too late to stop. You need to get blood work done... but you probably won't.

[AD]

any history of angina? high chol? ekg and chest xr to start, maybe a sinus xr later

[freddy1418]

I am 41 yo 5'9" 200 lbs 17% bf

Been on Tren 100 eod 4 weeks
Test 200 ew
HGH 4 iu Ed
A week ago I started wini at 100 Ed

Yesterday I started to get this funny feeling and it's getting worse. I feel pressure build up from lower chest and up though my head and down my left arm. My head feels like very severe sinus pressure but I have no problems at the moment. The only thing I can think of is, I haven't given blood in about five months. And I had high hemoglobin. Could this be the problem? Any constructive thoughts welcome

This sounds pretty serious and no one can say what it is for sure... you need to get to the Dr and not to scare you but if you can't figure this out like NOW then id come off cycle.. sounds like you could be doing your body a lot more harm then good.... good luck and keep us posted

[Coolhand5599]

I have had high chol. In the past. I am going to get bloodwork done. I was just thinking someone could tell me it's normal. I stoped taking all gear yesterday.

[songdog]

I agree stop and get blood work done.Just isnt worth the chance bro.

[gixxerboy1]

how high is to high on RBC, im running EQ 400mg/wk?

my rbc is high just on a trt dose of test. I'm sure yours is high running eq

[greenwell001]

my rbc is high just on a trt dose of test. I'm sure yours is high running eq

In all seriousness Gix, or anybody else for that matter, am I risking too much running 400mg of EQ.

[gixxerboy1]

In all seriousness Gix, or anybody else for that matter, am I risking too much running 400mg of EQ.

For the results it gives its not worth it. I,wouldnt get scared either. Ive run double your dose before

[greenwell001]

For the results it gives its not worth it. I,wouldnt get scared either. Ive run double your dose before

Thanks Gix, you did have me a little worried. I was thinkin about donating some blood to thin it out a little, would that be wasting the test in my bloodstream?

[gixxerboy1]

Thanks Gix, you did have me a little worried. I was thinkin about donating some blood to thin it out a little, would that be wasting the test in my bloodstream?

I would still google about high rbc. So you know what you are dealing with. You know what to look for and decide if that's something you want or need to do

[Coolhand5599]

The other day I gave blood. They said my iron was high. After I felt better for a few days. Yesterday I started feeling the pressure in my head again. Today it is bad again. I feel dizzie and from my lower chest up feels like its heavy and under pressure. I just got hoe from having my blood test done. Labcorp said they wouldn't have results till Monday or Tuesday.

Can I give another pint of blood in six days?

[AD]

The other day I gave blood. They said my iron was high. After I felt better for a few days. Yesterday I started feeling the pressure in my head again. Today it is bad again. I feel dizzie and from my lower chest up feels like its heavy and under pressure. I just got hoe from having my blood test done. Labcorp said they wouldn't have results till Monday or Tuesday.

Can I give another pint of blood in six days?

Might be too soon.

Did you do an ekg to check your heart?

[Coolhand5599]

Last night about 8 pm the pressure started getting bad. So we went o the ER and after the cat scan, EKG and bloodwork they admitted me. They said it looks like my heart muscle is stronger? ( not sure if I am saying that right) its nt a heart attack but the said my heart failure hormone is elevated. They did an echo today and they want to do a stress test tomorrow or Monday. My iron is high. I think they said 17.2 I was kind of out of it so I don't remember much. They also said the EKG was abnormal.

[Bonaparte]

Last night about 8 pm the pressure started getting bad. So we went o the ER and after the cat scan, EKG and bloodwork they admitted me. They said it looks like my heart muscle is stronger? ( not sure if I am saying that right) its nt a heart attack but the said my heart failure hormone is elevated. They did an echo today and they want to do a stress test tomorrow or Monday. My iron is high. I think they said 17.2 I was kind of out of it so I don't remember much. They also said the EKG was abnormal.

That sounds like your BNP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_natriuretic_peptide

It sounds like your heart is getting all messed up. Sorry man, but steroids (and heavy lifting) may be off the table if you care about living to a decent age.

[MuscleInk]

Last night about 8 pm the pressure started getting bad. So we went o the ER and after the cat scan, EKG and bloodwork they admitted me. They said it looks like my heart muscle is stronger? ( not sure if I am saying that right) its nt a heart attack but the said my heart failure hormone is elevated. They did an echo today and they want to do a stress test tomorrow or Monday. My iron is high. I think they said 17.2 I was kind of out of it so I don't remember much. They also said the EKG was abnormal.

The heart hormone they are possibly referring to is creatine phosphokinase. CK is a marker of myocardial infarction (heart attack), rhabdomyolysis (severe muscle breakdown), muscular dystrophy, autoimmune myositides and acute renal failure.

Have they given you the results of your ECHO? The most common reason for an Echocardiogram is to measure the ventricular ejection fractions. Healthy individuals have ejection fractions between 50% and 75%. Damage to the heart muscle (myocardium), reduces ejection fraction. This reduction in the ejection fraction can manifest itself clinically as heart failure.

[Coolhand5599]

The heart hormone they are possibly referring to is creatine phosphokinase. CK is a marker of myocardial infarction (heart attack), rhabdomyolysis (severe muscle breakdown), muscular dystrophy, autoimmune myositides and acute renal failure.

Have they given you the results of your ECHO? The most common reason for an Echocardiogram is to measure the ventricular ejection fractions. Healthy individuals have ejection fractions between 50% and 75%. Damage to the heart muscle (myocardium), reduces ejection fraction. This reduction in the ejection fraction can manifest itself clinically as heart failure.

No, they have not talked to me about the echo yet. The care here is not to good. I told them I have sleep apnea and they said they would bring me an air machine, but they never did. At 7 this morning I told them I was thirsty and starving. I got nothing till noon.

[MuscleInk]

No, they have not talked to me about the echo yet. The care here is not to good. I told them I have sleep apnea and they said they would bring me an air machine, but they never did. At 7 this morning I told them I was thirsty and starving. I got nothing till noon.

That's absolutely ridiculous!

[Bonaparte]

The heart hormone they are possibly referring to is creatine phosphokinase. CK is a marker of myocardial infarction (heart attack), rhabdomyolysis (severe muscle breakdown), muscular dystrophy, autoimmune myositides and acute renal failure.

Have they given you the results of your ECHO? The most common reason for an Echocardiogram is to measure the ventricular ejection fractions. Healthy individuals have ejection fractions between 50% and 75%. Damage to the heart muscle (myocardium), reduces ejection fraction. This reduction in the ejection fraction can manifest itself clinically as heart failure.

Why do you suspect CK over BNP?

[AD]

Do you guys do bnp routinely? I thought plain ck itself would rather useless. Unless you mean ck-mb. Trop-t may also be done in the early assessment

[AD]

And hs-crp

[Bonaparte]

Do you guys do bnp routinely? I thought plain ck itself would rather useless. Unless you mean ck-mb. Trop-t may also be done in the early assessment

Yes. I've transported plenty of nursing home patients for/with an elevated BNP lab result. But this could just be because they suspected it due to a history of CHF, renal failure, diabetes, etc.

[MuscleInk]

Yes. I've transported plenty of nursing home patients for/with an elevated BNP lab result. But this could just be because they suspected it due to a history of CHF, renal failure, diabetes, etc.

Hey Bonaparte. You are absolutely correct. BNP is a more sensitive marker of cardiac failures, more so than CK. In fact my CK was nearly 3x normal in June when I suffered a grade 2 tear of my gastrocnemius - totally unrelated to any cardiac event.

BNP can be a false positive for CHF but I'd agree BNP (and the others discussed in this thread) are more sensitive cardiac assays. The best differential diagnosis would still come from a Doppler, MUGA, or ECHO - the last two my professional preferences for a ddx when cardiac syndromes are suspected.

Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't want to imply CK was the only diagnostic and certainly shouldn't be used alone in diagnosing a cardiac event.

[warmouth]

I wish I knew Bonaparte personally so that I could actually talk to him. He always knows stuff and he always gets me so worried about myself. I am not a hyperchondriac, but I am worried now. Scarry stuff. And from reading and researching, it seems that people who are known to have used AAS and the patriarchs of AAS info seem to have mostly passed on by heart failure to some degree. It is a scarry thing, especially for me, already having hypertension.

[AD]

I wish I knew Bonaparte personally so that I could actually talk to him. He always knows stuff and he always gets me so worried about myself. I am not a hyperchondriac, but I am worried now. Scarry stuff. And from reading and researching, it seems that people who are known to have used AAS and the patriarchs of AAS info seem to have mostly passed on by heart failure to some degree. It is a scarry thing, especially for me, already having hypertension.

He has 4 eyes, 8 arms and 2 heads! Best you dont meet him...lol

[warmouth]

He is ARs Yoda.

[Bonaparte]

He has 4 eyes, 8 arms and 2 heads! Best you dont meet him...lol

You forgot to mention my 3 penises and 1 (massive) testicle

[warmouth]

1 testicle? You mean you dont have all 3? How strange.

[Coolhand5599]

Well, I have felt good over 24 hours. I left the hospital, they never came to go over echo or have me do stress test. I am pissed. I will call Dr. Office in morning to schedule stress test.

[Coolhand5599]

Florida Dr.s suck. I have called the Dr. Three times today to set up stress test. And they are telling e they need the Dr. To ok it. Saturday he acted like it was an emergency. I have talked to several people they tell me all Florida Dr.s are this way. I am told if you want good care you have to go north

[Silverbimma]

This is why I am not going to do steroids. I have high blood pressure as it is... and have had it for a long time since my teens. It's now controlled, but still, there must be a reason why it's high and my cardiovascular system is probably not that great. I was always strong as a kid but didn't have good cardio. Always got tired like I was fat even though I was skinny and muscular.

Just recently, from stress and other issues, I have been having heart rythm problems where my heart would skip a beat or make weard flutters out of nowhere. They often came at a time when I was lifting things. Needless to say, I have stopped lifting for a few months to see what the deal is. I also suffer from anxiety but couldn't point out if this was due to the high anxiety or to something real (as real as a structural issue with my heart).

Anyways, don't want to hi jack the thread, but I do realize these things can be concerning. It's all good till it ain't good anymore.

[Coolhand5599]

Just got my lab work back I will list below. Please give advice
WBC 12.8
RDW 16.1
Neutrophils ( absolute) 8.1
Monocytes ( absolute ) 1.1
AST ( SGOT) 42
Total cholesterol 262
Triglycerides 162
HDL. 22 LOW
LDL 208
LDL/HDL Ratio 9.5
DHEA 758.4
Lute ionizing hormone .1 LOW
FSH .2 LOW
Estradiol 109.4
IGF-1 311
B12 1451
Sex hormone binding Glob serum 9.6 LOW
Testosterone 4140
Free testosterone 53

[AD]

I have had high chol. In the past. I am going to get bloodwork done. I was just thinking someone could tell me it's normal. I stoped taking all gear yesterday.

your chol levels are really quite bad. you'll probably need chol meds.

if your docs think you may have ischemic heart disease, then you'll probably need daily aspirin too. no more chest pains right?

has it been more than a wk since your last pin? don't forget to start pct at the appropriate time.

[Silverbimma]

your chol levels are really quite bad. you'll probably need chol meds.

if your docs think you may have ischemic heart disease, then you'll probably need daily aspirin too. no more chest pains right?

has it been more than a wk since your last pin? don't forget to start pct at the appropriate time.

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