Started 1st cycle a few days ago - couple of questions

[Christopher_UK]

Hi there people, not really had many questions since starting my first cycle, everything has gone smoothly thus far. I wasn't sure what to expect regarding the soreness but my bum does feel a little bit sore/bruised but cant see anything when I check. I did my second jab today into the quads and this one also went smoothly. I started on saturday and have taken your advice and I'm therefore just running test prop on its own to begin with and then after pct I will do test+deca. I've got enough gear to do 8 weeks test, followed by 4 weeks pct, and then 8 weeks test+deca followed by 4 weeks pct. Using nolva and clomid for pct as recommended.

I made sure to follow the guide/instructions correctly on spotinjections.com before injecting and made all the correct preparations with alcohol swobs and made sure to aspirate and not let the needle touch anything.

My first question is, is this normal for my bum to feel this way for past 48 hours and if so how much longer will it last? It's not too bad though, I can cope with it.

My second question is, is tamoxifen the same as nolva? Does it do the same thing, because my source gave me that instead of nolva to go with the clomid. Just wanted to make sure it would work for PCT.

My third question if you dont mind!...would be, how long do you reckon until I feel any different with just taking the test?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions!! As a newbie on his first cycle this is very much appreciated

[gearbox]

What are your stats?
Yes butt pain is normal
8 weeks is not even close to long enough for deca. Should be 14 weeks imo
Tamx is not an ai its a serm

[gearbox]

Probably your first cycle and I hope your at a decent age to cycle properly. And if first cycle I would drop the deca. U don't need a 19 nor first cycle

[Christopher_UK]

Probably your first cycle and I hope your at a decent age to cycle properly. And if first cycle I would drop the deca. U don't need a 19 nor first cycle

Its a little bit late now mate, I already posted on this forum and got advice from other members and nobody told me what you just said before...I've already spent £490.

Just to keep this short...I've been training clean for 5 years, eating clean for past 2 years, and I'm 29 this month. All my stats and details have been given before.

EDIT:
I was just on this board to use clomid+pct for 4 weeks after each reload, and for some reason my source gave me tamoxifen instead of nolva, but he gave me everthing else I asked for.
So just to make this clear, if I run this course the way I origonally intended are you saying that the clomid+tamoxifen wont do the job of providing correct post cycle therapy?

[Lunk1]

Its a little bit late now mate, I already posted on this forum and got advice from other members and nobody told me what you just said before...I've already spent £490.
Just to keep this short...I've been training clean for 5 years, eating clean for past 2 years, and I'm 29 this month. All my stats and details have been given before.

EDIT:
I was just on this board to use clomid+pct for 4 weeks after each reload, and for some reason my source gave me tamoxifen instead of nolva, but he gave me everthing else I asked for.
So just to make this clear, if I run this course the way I origonally intended are you saying that the clomid+tamoxifen wont do the job of providing correct post cycle therapy?

Now this is not true at all. Looking back in your previous posts you WERE advised prior to starting to JUST run a test only cycle and you agreed. You just started and therefore it is NOT to late. Gearbox is saying you should forget about the Deca for now. You could simply run the Test prop cycle only and be good to go.

Plus I am not sure why you wasnt to run 8 weeks prop..stop and PCT...then test and deca! You should have an equal amount of time off after your cycle that you had on cycle and PCT. Safe yourself the risks and just run a nice 8-10 week cycle of your test prop and enjoy the gains. You can alsways save the deca for down thr road somewhere.

[AXx]

I'll take your advice and just run a course of test on its own. My friend at the gym did recommend me doing that anyways. I just wanted to know if test+deca or test+tren was best though and then I read a thread on this forum how tren effects asthmatics badly so I was thinking of staying away from tren and just doing test+deca after a course of test on its own?

This is your reply to Austinite. So now your saying it's to late???

[Christopher_UK]

Oh, my, god...seriously people, you've doing my head-in, pretty much everytime I've posted I get everything I say shoved down my throat, I thought this was meant to be a helpful board?

I didnt say it wasnt too late not to take the deca, I was saying it was too late not to buy it because I already bought it....

You guys are making me so mad recently because you jump to conclusions with everything I say...

and to your second point I already stated above in the OP post that I took the advice of the members on this board to only take test on its own to begin with....!!!!

Last of all, the whole reason I planned to do 8 weeks cycles in the first place was because I read every god damn sticky on this forum and those stickies explained about 8 week reload followed by 4 week deloads, thats what the sticky says. Am I've read other post too....yet recently people tell me to do 12 week cycles or 14 week cycles so a little bit confusing.

Prior to this thread I made a thread a week ago or whenever it was about my first cycle and asking for advice, and prior to that I've been browsing these forums for probably over a year now.

So I havent lied with anything I've said...



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Now that I've said all that, I want to explain something...I came onto this board today in a good mood making a simple post looking for simple answers.....the guy that responded, am not sure if hes drunk or what but his post didnt make any sense, especially when he wrote "Probably your first cycle"....what the???...the title should say it all mate!!

Anyways, moving on....

ok....calming down now....

Right, can you explain to me what is wrong with doing 8 weeks test on its own, and what is wrong with doing 8 weeks test+deca?

And can you also please explain to me if I can use clomid+tamoxifen for pct with this cycle?

...This is all I want to know...

EDIT: Sorry for sounding angry but since I started bulking again I am very angry all the time...and I hate posting on forums online because I hate to argue.

Thanks.

[AXx]

8 week test on its own would be ending the cycle premature. You will be in the sweet spot of the cycle at 8 weeks. 12 weeks you can reap the full benefits of the cycle.

[AXx]

Also tamoxifen citrate is the same thing as Nolva

[Christopher_UK]

8 week test on its own would be ending the cycle premature. You will be in the sweet spot of the cycle at 8 weeks. 12 weeks you can reap the full benefits of the cycle.

Ok then, hes given me 40x1ml vials of test prop, I did my first jab of 1ml test prop on saturday in my glute, my 2nd jab of 1ml test prop in my quad earlier this evening. If I do 3 vials a week I will be able to keep going for just over 12 weeks...so you reckon I should just do this on its own?

[AXx]

Misread

[Christopher_UK]

Also tamoxifen citrate is the same thing as Nolva

Thanks, thats what this guy said at gym, but didnt know if it was true or not.

[Lunk1]

8 week test on its own would be ending the cycle premature. You will be in the sweet spot of the cycle at 8 weeks. 12 weeks you can reap the full benefits of the cycle.

I disagree with this AXx...he is talking about prop in which case I agree 8 week or maybe 10 at the longest. 12 weeks is more of a standard with Test E

[AXx]

Ok then, hes given me 40x1ml vials of test prop, I did my first jab of 1ml test prop on saturday in my glute, my 2nd jab of 1ml test prop in my quad earlier this evening. If I do 3 vials a week I will be able to keep going for just over 12 weeks...so you reckon I should just do this on its own?

. A longer estered test would have been better but you have to work with what you have.

1ml?? What the mg per ml.

[Christopher_UK]

Misread

Yeah I will do mate, I'll take your advice...I didnt realise it was a problem to do it the way I origonally intended, that guy in my first cycle thread never told me not to do test+deca, not that I remember anyways...

Can you please explain to me though, what would have been so wrong or what would have been the outcome if I'd never posted on this forum today and came back in 6 months after following through with my origonal plan which was:

test prop - 8 weeks
pct (clomid+tamoxi) - 4 weeks
test prop + deca - 8 weeks
pct (clomid+tamoxi) - 4 weeks

Would I not of had good results? Or are you saying because the cycles are too short it would have been a waste?

Thanks in advance.

[gixxerboy1]

yes the reload de load sticky isnt for a first cycle. and you need to use sure acting compound which deca is not

also you need to use an ai on cycle

[AXx]

I disagree with this AXx...he is talking about prop in which case I agree 8 week or maybe 10 at the longest. 12 weeks is more of a standard with Test E

You are correct for some reason I misread what he was taking. I agree with you.

[Christopher_UK]

. A longer estered test would have been better but you have to work with what you have.

1ml?? What the mg per ml.

It just says on the box "100mg/1ml" and "10 Ampoules of 1ml"

[Lunk1]

Oh, my, god...seriously people, you've doing my head-in, pretty much everytime I've posted I get everything I say shoved down my throat, I thought this was meant to be a helpful board?

I didnt say it wasnt too late not to take the deca, I was saying it was too late not to buy it because I already bought it....

You guys are making me so mad recently because you jump to conclusions with everything I say...

and to your second point I already stated above in the OP post that I took the advice of the members on this board to only take test on its own to begin with....!!!!

Last of all, the whole reason I planned to do 8 weeks cycles in the first place was because I read every god damn sticky on this forum and those stickies explained about 8 week reload followed by 4 week deloads, thats what the sticky says. Am I've read other post too....yet recently people tell me to do 12 week cycles or 14 week cycles so a little bit confusing.

Prior to this thread I made a thread a week ago or whenever it was about my first cycle and asking for advice, and prior to that I've been browsing these forums for probably over a year now.

So I havent lied with anything I've said...



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Now that I've said all that, I want to explain something...I came onto this board today in a good mood making a simple post looking for simple answers.....the guy that responded, am not sure if hes drunk or what but his post didnt make any sense, especially when he wrote "Probably your first cycle"....what the???...the title should say it all mate!!

Anyways, moving on....

ok....calming down now....

Right, can you explain to me what is wrong with doing 8 weeks test on its own, and what is wrong with doing 8 weeks test+deca?

And can you also please explain to me if I can use clomid+tamoxifen for pct with this cycle?

...This is all I want to know...

EDIT: Sorry for sounding angry but since I started bulking again I am very angry all the time...and I hate posting on forums online because I hate to argue.

Thanks.

I apologize for not understanding this correctly. Perhaps it was lost in the lack of articulation. Either way, yes it's too late to not buy it if you already bought it lol. I would just consider saving it for a cycle down the road somewhere. Deca has some serious sides that you need to be fully aware of and by doing a test only cycle first you can decifer if it is the test or the deca causing issues.

[AXx]

Ok so after all the confusion (on my part as well) lay out what you are going to do so we have this right!!!

[Lunk1]

It just says on the box "100mg/1ml" and "10 Ampoules of 1ml"

Yep...just inject 1ml or 1 cc eod for 8-10 weeks...

[Christopher_UK]

I apologize for not understanding this correctly. Perhaps it was lost in the lack of articulation. Either way, yes it's too late to not buy it if you already bought it lol. I would just consider saving it for a cycle down the road somewhere. Deca has some serious sides that you need to be fully aware of and by doing a test only cycle first you can decifer if it is the test or the deca causing issues.

Yeah I totally agree with what your saying about just doing test on its own, I read this forum for such a long time and read about the side effects which is why I put off doing my first cycle for so long.

In my first cycle thread though the other guy said 4 week pct using clomid+nolva would be fine when I told him I was intending on doing these 8 week cycles with test+deca...He never said not to do deca and never said I needed anything else like an AI, was he wrong about a few things?

Also what is the best AI to get? I read about one called A-dex.

Thanks in advance.

[AXx]

Yep...just inject 1ml or 1 cc eod for 8-10 weeks...

Lol. I second this.

[MR-FQ320]

Hi Chris, your only a stones throw away from where I live so I'm gonna help you out, OK?

All you other fellas go easy on him, we all started out somewhere right ?

It seems like you just needed to do a bit more reading before starting out on juice, just stick to 8 weeks prop do whatever PCT you have planned then wait another 12 weeks before juicing again.

[gixxerboy1]

a-dex or aromasin. you can get either at ar-r and they are 30% off

[Christopher_UK]

Ok so after all the confusion (on my part as well) lay out what you are going to do so we have this right!!!

Am just going to forget what was arranged and discussed in this previous "first cycle thread" and go with what you guys have said in this thread and just do test prop EOD.

Should I do this for 8 weeks or longer though?

Thanks in advance.

[Christopher_UK]

a-dex or aromasin. you can get either at ar-r and they are 30% off

Ok mate, thanks for the info, I'll check out the website and also see if my source can get it and see which is cheaper.

I've always wondered something regarding the PCT side of things though. Is that stuff the same as aas in the sense that you cant buy it in shops, you have to get it from a source or some dodgy website? or is pct legal and can I buy it from anywhere like holland & barret?

I live in the UK by the way.

Also my second question is, do they fake pct tablets like they fake ass?

[gixxerboy1]

8 weeks is perfect

[gixxerboy1]

pct drugs arent illegal but they are by prescription. So you cant walk into a store to by them
and yes some place have fake or under dosed products

[Christopher_UK]

Hi Chris, your only a stones throw away from where I live so I'm gonna help you out, OK?

All you other fellas go easy on him, we all started out somewhere right ?

It seems like you just needed to do a bit more reading before starting out on juice, just stick to 8 weeks prop do whatever PCT you have planned then wait another 12 weeks before juicing again.

Cheers mate, I did do a lot of research in the past but I got a bad memory and forget things, have to re-read threads/stickies multiple times. I know thats no excuse like, but its the truth.

My source said he was surprised how much pct I asked for though because I asked him for 6000mg of clomid and 1200mg of nolva and he said most people he sells to dont even bother.

P.S. Regarding what you said about the 12 week break, will I not lose any results I gain in that time? I thought the 4 week pct was the break? lol

...I reckon I'll be missing the jabbing!! lol (just messin!)

[Christopher_UK]

Thanks for all your replies so far guys, I've read every single response, and I'll re-read every single response again no doubt to keep the information you've told me in my thick skull!

[Lunk1]

I like 8 weeks as well...max benifit and less recovery time. As I said before (and I think you may have gooten some diff advise) Time off is equal to time on and PCT together. So 8 weeks on 4 weeks PCT = 12 weeks off before next cycle.

[Lunk1]

Maintaining results comes down to diet and workout routine not more juice...

[MickeyKnox]

Hi Chris, your only a stones throw away from where I live so I'm gonna help you out, OK?

All you other fellas go easy on him, we all started out somewhere right ?

It seems like you just needed to do a bit more reading before starting out on juice, just stick to 8 weeks prop do whatever PCT you have planned then wait another 12 weeks before juicing again.

how far is that in pounds?

hey Chris, looks like you getting things squared away - some really good folks here to assist you. keep in mind your health is the primary concern for these guys offering advice.

good luck with your cycle bro..

[Christopher_UK]

I like 8 weeks as well...max benifit and less recovery time. As I said before (and I think you may have gooten some diff advise) Time off is equal to time on and PCT together. So 8 weeks on 4 weeks PCT = 12 weeks off before next cycle.

Maintaining results comes down to diet and workout routine not more juice...

Ok I'll do that then, 8 weeks test, 4 weeks pct followed by 12 weeks of just eating and training.

One last thing tho, do you want me to take clomid+nolva+some kind of ai or can I just stick with my origonal clomid+nolva because I've been told several things in this thread. Or was that just because they were thinking about the deca?

Oh and how long do AAS last for? do they go off?

Cheers.

[MR-FQ320]

Cheers mate, I did do a lot of research in the past but I got a bad memory and forget things, have to re-read threads/stickies multiple times. I know thats no excuse like, but its the truth.

My source said he was surprised how much pct I asked for though because I asked him for 6000mg of clomid and 1200mg of nolva and he said most people he sells to dont even bother.

P.S. Regarding what you said about the 12 week break, will I not lose any results I gain in that time? I thought the 4 week pct was the break? lol

...I reckon I'll missing the jabbing!! lol (just messin!)

next time just ask for a bottle of each clomid and nolva

the general rule of thumb around here is Time on gear + PCT = time off. 8 weeks on + 4 weeks PCT = time off gear

yeah i bet nobody told you its ****ing depressing being in PCT did they? muscles wilting, no test in your body, no sex drive lol

results kept are largely apportioned to correct diet and training and following proper PCT

[Christopher_UK]

next time just ask for a bottle of each clomid and nolva

the general rule of thumb around here is Time on gear + PCT = time off. 8 weeks on + 4 weeks PCT = time off gear

yeah i bet nobody told you its ****ing depressing being in PCT did they? muscles wilting, no test in your body, no sex drive lol

results kept are largely apportioned to correct diet and training and following proper PCT

Sweet jesus, not looking forward to the no sex drive part lol, better try get as much action as I can now then...while I still can haha.

[MR-FQ320]

how far is that in pounds?

hey Chris, looks like you getting things squared away - some really good folks here to assist you. keep in mind your health is the primary concern for these guys offering advice.

good luck with your cycle bro..

14 haha

Ok I'll do that then, 8 weeks test, 4 weeks pct followed by 12 weeks of just eating and training.

One last thing tho, do you want me to take clomid+nolva+some kind of ai or can I just stick with my origonal clomid+nolva because I've been told several things in this thread. Or was that just because they were thinking about the deca?

Oh and how long do AAS last for? do they go off?

Cheers.

if you have not got an AI i would not start worrying about it now, its more of a precaution to keep some on hand, the clomid and nolva you start 3 days after the last injection of prop.

keep them in a tin in a cool place and I would say they were ok for a couple of years

[MR-FQ320]

any more questions for tonight?

when is ypur next injection? when was your first?

[Lunk1]

Ok I'll do that then, 8 weeks test, 4 weeks pct followed by 12 weeks of just eating and training.

One last thing tho, do you want me to take clomid+nolva+some kind of ai or can I just stick with my origonal clomid+nolva because I've been told several things in this thread. Or was that just because they were thinking about the deca?

Oh and how long do AAS last for? do they go off?

Cheers.

Yes to an AI...Adex is a good option.
How long do AAS last for??? You mean before it expires??? Up to 5 years if stored in a dark room temp location is not unexpected.