Need help with gyno

[Zeezer]

Got a lump and puffiness in my left nip. Tried liquid letro for two weeks and no progress. So is the move aromisan or nolva from here? I very much appreciate any sound advice in the matter.

[DanB]

what dose letro did you run and are you sure it is legit?

[gearbox]

letro is the strongest there is so we would not be moving to nolva. letro can rid you of all estrogen or close to all. I agree with the above. are you sure it was legit? letro is strong

[Zeezer]

It was research chem company that was recommended to me.

[Zeezer]

I got up to 2.5mgs ed. Is it ok to post the manufacturer?

[TOkidd]

Either the letro's off or your problem isn't gyno. Just out of curiosity, what were you running? Any tren or deca?

[Zeezer]

I have all the symptoms- puffy nip, hard knot behind the glandular tissue, and soreness. I was on 75mg test prop eod, 30mg var ed, and 5ius of gh ed. Test and var I ran for 8weeks.

[AD]

if you're currently on cycle, and letro alone didn't work, you may have to add nolva to it. but go very slow with the doses so as not to totally crash your estro.

[Zeezer]

Cycle ended 8/1/12

[AD]

Cycle ended 8/1/12

what was your pct like? completed when?

[Zeezer]

Hcg last two weeks of cycle. Natty test two days after last shot. Clomid 2days after last shot for a month 12.5/25/25/25.

[AD]

thats a rather unusual pct protocol.

anyway, since you're not currently on cycle, i don't think you should use ai for too long cos it will crash your estro to uncomfortable levels. switch to nolva for the gyno. i personally like to start low and adjust up if needed, some people like to start high and come back down. so you can either go 20/20/40/40, or 40/40/20/20. the number of wks to take it is not fixed, depends on when you start to respond to it.

good luck

[kelkel]

Op, take a look at the below current thread. In post 26 I inserted three relevent links that may help you out.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-prevent-gyno

[Ashop]

I got up to 2.5mgs ed. Is it ok to post the manufacturer?

It didnt help at all?

[AD]

Op, take a look at the below current thread. In post 26 I inserted three relevent links that may help you out.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-prevent-gyno

very good links, especially the last one. Kel, hope you dont mind i cut and paste a passage here, from your third link.

Antiestrogens have been increasingly used in recent years to decrease the stimulatory effect of estrogens on the male breast. Tamoxifen and raloxifene, which block the estrogen receptor, and aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole have all been used with varying degrees of success in the treatment of gynecomastia. Although studies of their effects have been limited, there appears to be reasonable evidence supporting the utility of tamoxifen (31, 32, 33, 34, 35) and some evidence that raloxifene is approximately as useful as tamoxifen (35). Neither tamoxifen nor raloxifene has been associated with significant side effects in the majority of patients (31, 32, 33, 34, 35). Tamoxifen has been used in doses of 10–20 mg/d and raloxifene at a dose of 60 mg/d for 3–9 months. In contrast, anastrozole was no better than placebo in a randomized, double-blind trial in patients with pubertal gynecomastia (36). Anastrozole was successfully used to reduce the estrogen excess and breast enlargement in a patient with familial aromatase excess (37), a patient with a feminizing Sertoli cell tumor (38), and two hypogonadal men with gynecomastia induced by testosterone therapy (39). It should be noted that none of these drugs have been approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.

In the realm of therapy, medical treatment has its own controversies. The overall response rate to tamoxifen has varied from 50–80%, although reported side effects have been few (31, 32, 33, 34, 35). It has not yet been clearly established whether tamoxifen and raloxifene are of equal benefit, although it seems reasonably clear that both are more effective than aromatase inhibitors (36, 45, 46). Surgical therapy is generally agreed to be the most effective means of restoring the normal contour of the breast, but many different techniques and approaches are in current use and are likely to be influenced by the degree of breast enlargement as well as the proportion of glandular and fibrous tissue vs. adipose tissue present (61, 62). In addition, not all patients treated surgically are pleased with the results (63).


i have highlighted some interesting statements. so unless you're on cycle, ai may not be the best treatment for gyno.

[kelkel]

Not at all. Whatever helps the op.

[Zeezer]

It didnt help at all?

Marginally. It's been two weeks and I've been using chem research.

[Zeezer]

Op, take a look at the below current thread. In post 26 I inserted three relevent links that may help you out.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-prevent-gyno

Thanks a ton man. I really appreciate the help.

[kelkel]

Yep. Pay it forward.

[Zeezer]

So tamoxifen is the move? One of the links mentioned success with ar-r research chems, would this be advisable?

[havanakid]

Hes running tren.Could it be progesterone related gyno?IN that case caber or bromo would be the way to go.Just an opinion.

[AD]

i havent used them myself, but everyone says they're good. look for liquid tamox

[AD]

I have all the symptoms- puffy nip, hard knot behind the glandular tissue, and soreness. I was on 75mg test prop eod, 30mg var ed, and 5ius of gh ed. Test and var I ran for 8weeks.

you on tren?

[Zeezer]

you on tren?

Guys, again, I am not using tren. I was on test prop and var, period. No tren.

[havanakid]

Guys, again, I am not using tren. I was on test prop and var, period. No tren.

Sorry buddy.I read your earlier post wrong.Thought it said 75 mgs tren not test..I hope this gets resolved for you soon.Maybe give it another week or try to get your hands on some a-dex.It may be weaker than letro but damn I would be willing to try anything.Your body may do better with that.IDK