Tren/Mast/Test Cycle w/log

[gambit85]

Hi Guys,

This is my cycle and I would love some advice on what you think or what I might adjust.

I am 27, 5'5 155-165 lbs 5.2% - 8% bodyfat on a tanita body comp (today was 164.4 lbs total weight - 151.6lb Fat free mass - 111.0lb Water - 11.2lb fat - 6.8%)

This is my 3rd cycle (I did a test E 500mg/week cycle with pct , nice long 6 month break then a 600mg/week test e + anavar cycle + pct (pct was over 4 months ago)

Cycle plan is as follows

30 mg test prop (0.3 of 100mg/ml) Every 36hours week 1-8
75 mg tren ace (0.75 of 100mg/ml) Every 36hours week 1-8
112.5 mg masteron (0.75 of 150mg/ml) every 36 hours week 1-8

this gives me with 1.8ml per shot
140 mg/week of test
350 mg/week of tren
525 mg/week of masteron

Gonna run it for 8 weeks straight just like that, any suggestions on duration or dosage modifications?

I decided to go with 36 hours for this instead of ED or EOD, to make the shots less monotonous then every night, and try to keep blood levels more stable as opposed to EOD. Also I didnt want to inject so much fluid in each spot, or run out of spots too often, I see pros for this over either ED or EOD.

Also have access to any other dr ugs(lol i couldnt post this word) I might need..

I am on the newer side of things but take this very seriously and do a lot of research before anything.

Here is my current diet for the next 4 weeks.

first thing in the morning
shake w/ glutamine, bcaa and other aminos, 30 g protein

workout

breakfast 1/2 c. oats with cinnamon+1tbs pb + 30g protein

snack black bean 2oz and 3oz chicken

lunch 2 c. salad greens 2 tbs. balsamic vinegar, 4 oz. chicken, 4oz yam

snack shake (same as morning)

dinner ground bison 5oz, 1/2 cup broc 1/2 avocado, tomatoes and onions salad. 3 tbsp balsamic.

before bed 4 egg white omelette with 3tbs. red pepper cooked in no oil 40 mins before bed.


I will continue to keep track of my weight, bf%, max lifts, and take pics at least every 2 weeks, and then again after competition and after pct and then 6 months down the road.


PUMPED!

[OnTheSauce]

Pretty low doses IMO. Id say do something like 350 test, 350 mast, and 525 tren. I didn't mind ed injections. Would be 2.5cc of oil everyday. Glutes and quads can handed that no problem. So there's 4 days. 5th day do half in each shoulder. 6th day split it up between bi's/tri's. 7th day split it up in lats. I would only hit each body part once a week.


*edit* actually less than 2.5 since your mast isn't 100mg/ml

[gambit85]

After talking with some others on this board ive decided to do this now.

30 mg test prop (0.3 of 100mg/ml) Every 36hours week 1-8
75 mg tren ace (0.75 of 100mg/ml) Every 36hours week 1-8
112.5 mg masteron (0.75 of 50mg/ml) every 36 hours week 1-8

this gives me with 1.8ml per shot
140 mg/week of test
350 mg/week of tren
525 mg/week of masteron

I dont see the point in upping the test when its only used for regular body functions, someone correct me if im wrong here.

[OnTheSauce]

Everyone is different. Tren can suppress your sex drive quite a bit. It may take more test to keep your libido going.

[gambit85]

Everyone is different. Tren can suppress your sex drive quite a bit. It may take more test to keep your libido going.

Gotcha, I have an insanely high drive anyways, even with 0 test in me at the end of my last cycle on pct without hcg I never had a single libido prob.
I will stick with a low test dose and up if that starts to feel like its going.

Patrick do you have a recomendattion on how much femara to run to keep estrogen in check, and hCG 250iu 2x a week, on weeks 3-7? that sound right?

[OnTheSauce]

i use hcg all the entire cycle. and ive never used femara, i have only used arimidex and aromisin; so i cant comment on that dose.

[gambit85]

you use hcg from day 1 to the very end? and what dosage per week

[OnTheSauce]

500 per week split into 2 shots

[gambit85]

Hey Patrick, so just wanted to confirm this, I go and get bac water, mix in 2ml with the 5000iu powder then 0.1ml is = 250iu and I shoot that into a stomach fold with a 30 guage insulin needle? how long does the solution I mix stay active or good to use. Do i need to mix les then 5000iu or can I keep it in fridge as solution while I use it over the next 8 weeks.

[gearbox]

prop is to low

[austinite]

prop is to low

Agree. Also needs to be pinned every other day.

[gambit85]

prop is to low

Care to elaborate.
From my research, both tren and test bind to the same receptor, adding additional test only fights with the tren on which gets to bind.
Many members have said test should be kept at TRT dosages as it is only for maintaining normal body function (libido, and other things test regulates)
I have read that side effects, and water retention is increased when test increased (combined with tren)

I am sure you have a valid point to make the comment you did, however that does not help me, and I will certainly not adjust my dosage based simply on "its too low" so please if you are indeed trying to help, explain why you believe the test should be upped. It is my understanding that the test is only there to keep my D**K working, while the tren does all the androgenic stuff.

Thanks

[gambit85]

Agree. Also needs to be pinned every other day.

to confirm, you think I need to pin the prop less often then mast and tren?

[austinite]

to confirm, you think I need to pin the prop less often then mast and tren?

No. All 3 are the same. Every day, or every other day.

Test E and C are less frequent pinning, not prop.

[gambit85]

No. All 3 are the same. Every day, or every other day.

Test E and C are less frequent pinning, not prop.

As I said in my initial post.
I am pinning all 3 every 36 hours.
That is in between ED and EOD.
It is 20 shots less then ED over an 8 week period.
It is more stable plasma levels then EOD
It is less fluid per injection then EOD
It is more time in between shots then ED to recover from soreness and I am only rotating 4 spots.
It also means I dont have to pin every single night.

[austinite]

As I said in my initial post.
I am pinning all 3 every 36 hours.
That is in between ED and EOD.
It is 20 shots less then ED over an 8 week period.
It is more stable plasma levels then EOD
It is less fluid per injection then EOD
It is more time in between shots then ED to recover from soreness and I am only rotating 4 spots.
It also means I dont have to pin every single night.

LOL! Sorry, I totally read it as 3.5 days. No clue why.

You're good. Just up your prop.

[gambit85]

LOL! Sorry, I totally read it as 3.5 days. No clue why.

You're good. Just up your prop.

LOL kk, I have no issues with upping the test I just need to know why. From all the research ive done, the test isnt used for androgenic reasons, just to regulate normal body process that test regulates, hence a trt dosage, do the test and tren not fight over the same receptor and allow less tren to bind if you have more test binding???

Like I said, if i get a reasonable answer on why it makes sense to up the test ill gladly do it, its the cheapest of the 3 substances and I have no qualms with that at all, just trying to limit sides and maximize gains

[austinite]

LOL kk, I have no issues with upping the test I just need to know why. From all the research ive done, the test isnt used for androgenic reasons, just to regulate normal body process that test regulates, hence a trt dosage, do the test and tren not fight over the same receptor and allow less tren to bind if you have more test binding???

Like I said, if i get a reasonable answer on why it makes sense to up the test ill gladly do it, its the cheapest of the 3 substances and I have no qualms with that at all, just trying to limit sides and maximize gains

ok. 30mg of prop is just enough to shut you down. You're already being suppressed by the other compounds, so 30mg is not enough replacement testosterone. You need at least 100MG EOD to maintain a decent level. Good for you and your sanity.

[gambit85]

ok. 30mg of prop is just enough to shut you down. You're already being suppressed by the other compounds, so 30mg is not enough replacement testosterone. You need at least 100MG EOD to maintain a decent level. Good for you and your sanity.

Austinite i hope you dont think I am trying to be difficult or argue with you, I just want to learn and understand. I am very much a researcher, espec when it comes to my body. Isnt 100mg a week what you would get prescribed by a dr for TRT? Wouldnt the tren shut me down, and the 140 mg a week be used to keep my test at a baseline level?

[austinite]

Austinite i hope you dont think I am trying to be difficult or argue with you, I just want to learn and understand. I am very much a researcher, espec when it comes to my body. Isnt 100mg a week what you would get prescribed by a dr for TRT? Wouldnt the tren shut me down, and the 140 mg a week be used to keep my test at a baseline level?

lI dont think you're arguing, glad youre asking questions

100mg EOD = 100mg every other day. Not per week. that equals 350 per week.

[gambit85]

lI dont think you're arguing, glad youre asking questions

100mg EOD = 100mg every other day. Not per week. that equals 350 per week.

Yes but isnt TRT replacement typically 100 per WEEK?? or 200 every 2 weeks is what ive seen most guys get

[austinite]

Yes but isnt TRT replacement typically 100 per WEEK?? or 200 every 2 weeks is what ive seen most guys get

Depends. My TRT is 200 every 10 days.

[gambit85]

Depends. My TRT is 200 every 10 days.

Oh. Hmm. ok so what do you think I should set my test at for the minimum I can take is 140 really gonna be too low? I just want enuf to keep my dick going, and let the tren do its thing.

minimum ud run? 200? 250?

[austinite]

Well now you're making me run in circles

As stated above. 100 EOD would be the minimum I would run. There is more to test than just keeping your peepee working.

[gearbox]

op- we have plenty of AR to go around. they will not fight over the same one.

common trt is different for everyone but 120 -250 is common range imo

[gambit85]

There is more to test than just keeping your peepee working.

So will I actually notice more gains if I up the test? I was under the impression I wouldnt, I have no problems upping it if I will.

[austinite]

So will I actually notice more gains if I up the test? I was under the impression I wouldnt, I have no problems upping it if I will.

Only if you know how to eat

Have you had your diet evaluated? Gearbox is pro in that dept.

[gambit85]

Only if you know how to eat

Have you had your diet evaluated? Gearbox is pro in that dept.

my diet is in the OP, as well as in the nutrition section

[Lunk1]

lI dont think you're arguing, glad youre asking questions

100mg EOD = 100mg every other day. Not per week. that equals 350 per week.

Austin...you know I normally ALWAYS agree with you but in this case I would have to disagree. I believe the test range the op is running is enough to maintain normal function and on this cycle thats all it would be used for. Mine is currently 250 and honestly just cause it's 250mg/ML so just works out. I don't think the op would see any increased value from an increase in test. Hell I think Atomini is currently 800mg tren and 150 mg test (have to look again for sure)

[stpete]

Well now you're making me run in circles

As stated above. 100 EOD would be the minimum I would run. There is more to test than just keeping your peepee working.

I agree w/this. Last time i ran test/tren it was 150mgs each EOD. Now that was nice!!

[OnTheSauce]

I started at 350 test, 525 tren. Ended up going to 700 test, 1000 tren. I can't comment if 140 will be enough for u. Like I said, I would run higher.

[rockhardman]

Damn!!! 1000 of tren? How did it work for u?

[Brohim]

guys tren is 5x stronger than test. Why on Earth would you fill up your Androgen receptors with Test if you are on a Tren cycle. OP has it right run 140mg of test and let the tren do the work. You also realize Tren sides get worse with Estrogen present. So that is another reason to keep test low. Water retention...another reason to keep test low. Am I missing anything? OP I would try to get liquidex so you can take a small amount and get some Caber and run it 1mg a week to keep prolactin down.

[gambit85]

guys tren is 5x stronger than test. Why on Earth would you fill up your Androgen receptors with Test if you are on a Tren cycle. OP has it right run 140mg of test and let the tren do the work. You also realize Tren sides get worse with Estrogen present. So that is another reason to keep test low. Water retention...another reason to keep test low. Am I missing anything? OP I would try to get liquidex so you can take a small amount and get some Caber and run it 1mg a week to keep prolactin down.

I am getting mixed feedback and its confusing. I thought it was discovered and proven in recent years that its better to run with low test for sides. I can easily get aromasin, I just have a bottle of femara with over 80 tabs left that will never get used if i cant use them for on cycle control, because ill never let gyno get that bad in the first place again. Caber I havent read about ill check on it. thanks.

[OnTheSauce]

sides are less with tren ran higher than test. as far as the "fill up your androgen receptors" comment. there are plenty of androgen receptors to go around.

[OnTheSauce]

Damn!!! 1000 of tren? How did it work for u?

pretty well. i put on a good bit of weight, got leaner, was getting crazy strong, but then hurt myself deadlifting. sides werent bad until at the 1000mg/week. I was sweating 24/7 and would get out of breath on one flight of stairs. But i won my competition... lol.

[gambit85]

guys tren is 5x stronger than test. Why on Earth would you fill up your Androgen receptors with Test if you are on a Tren cycle. OP has it right run 140mg of test and let the tren do the work. You also realize Tren sides get worse with Estrogen present. So that is another reason to keep test low. Water retention...another reason to keep test low. Am I missing anything? OP I would try to get liquidex so you can take a small amount and get some Caber and run it 1mg a week to keep prolactin down.

Is caber a px drug or can I order it somewhere? My normal guy has nothing

[austinite]

Is caber a px drug or can I order it somewhere? My normal guy has nothing

You can get prami from ar-r.com

[gambit85]

Guys I need a lil help with the hCG.

Questions:
Can I buy bac water at a pharmacy or need px?
If i mix 5000 iu into 2ml of water then each 0.1 is 250 iu, is that a good amount to shoot every 5 days 0.1 ml?
Is a 30 guage 1 inch insulin needle sufficient for this? do I have to shoot it IM or can I just do it in a stomach fold? pinch fat and plunge it there
How long can it stay in fridge mixed, do I need another sterile vile to do the mixing? can I get that at the pharmacy too?

sorry might be some simple questions, this is my first time using hCG, I tried googling but find varying answers for everything

[OnTheSauce]

I use the 1/2cc syringes but yes u are right on dose. U can get back water on Amazon. Don't think u can get it without script at pharmacy