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    Contemplation of running VAR, Win, or HAVOC (PH)

    Hey there, i'm a 20 year old male (high levels of natural test already I know yada yada). I've only ran one previous cycle of Epivar (prohormone), going 36mg/36mg/36mg/54mg and only one 90 cap bottle. I know how to properly exercise/eat well. I'm a Kinesiology student and I often do lots of research on my stuff before I take it.

    This is the dilemma i'm running into. My roommate started running his first cycle of anavar (first bottle (novatis) he got was for sure var 25mg, the second is var from a different lab [trinity labs, never heard of it, apparently neither has anyone on the internet] was 10mg). The second bottle seemed to be slightly different he said (only in terms of strength). He gained 15 lbs so far (5th-6th week in). He's still smashing calories, feeling anabolic, and is feeling hard and vascular as ****.

    He ordered more (which I could buy) but I kind of went hotheaded when his guy didn't get back to him for 2 weeks and bought 2 bottles of havoc 60 caps each at 10mg (Prohormone, epistane clone I believe). New shipment of the second bottle he got is now in, I could buy it. I'm not sure if I should buy it (2 bottles obviously, 6 weeks worth) buy 3 bottles, or buy the two bottles and then run the havoc immediately after it.


    Really would appreciate some advice on this. Underneath is the diet I made last night for running this cycle (either of the var or the havoc):


    Yashar’s 60 day Body change Diet/workout

    Meal #1 (wake up): ¾ cup oatmeal, berries, 35g protein powder, 1 scoop glutamine. [Fish oil, CLA, multivitamin, Vit C, Vit D/Mg/Ca, Hav, burner]

    Meal #2 (2 hours later): Handful of almonds, walnuts, protein shake.

    Meal #3 (LUNCH): 1 whole sweet potato, 1-2 chicken breast, greens, cottage cheese on chicken. [Vit C, Vit D/Mg/Ca, ]

    Meal #4 (Pregym): 1 scoop protein (35g), pre workout, 1 scoop glutamine, havoc, calcium/mag/D3. [HAV, burner]
    MUSCLE MARTINI: Glutamine, 2-3 TBSP Gatorade, BCAA.

    Meal # 5 (postgym): 75-80g protein. [ Alpha lipoic acid, multivitamin, Vit C, Fish oil, CLA]

    Meal # 6 (Dinner): Half sweet potato, 30-40g protein (chicken/tuna).

    Meal # 7 (Night time salad): Tuna + salad, 2 tbsp olive oil, balsamic vinegar. [Vit C, CLA, Vit D/Mg/Ca]
    Meal # 8 (Before Bed): 30g protein blend shake, olive oil or other fat.

    Total grams protein: 300g


    Haven't calculated the grams of fat, or of carbs.


    Please let me know what you think, as I'm in quite the predicament.

    Any help is much appreciated!!

    Take care boys and girls,

    -Yosh

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    Why do you insist on cycling so early? Who are you trying to impress? The reality of shutting down your natural testosterone production at 20 years old greatly outweigh the minimal amounts of muscle you would gain with Anavar or Winstrol. You will more than likely lose any gains you made on the PH bullshit in the weeks following you coming off of it.

    You say you research the stuff before you take it, if you had remotely any common sense you would know to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh73 View Post
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    what are your current stats, bro?

    age:20
    weight? height? bf%? training history?

    what are your goals?

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    Read the young and steroids thread bro.This will tell you about the things you think you know.Some times education can be dangerous in the wrong hands!

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    Ok where to begin.

    1) Youre 20, which is a few years to young. The sides and damage that will happen to your body arenot worth it.

    2) Its great you have started planning a diet out and its good you have the protein part of it. Now you need to figure out calories, carbs, and fat. They are also just as important.

    3) anavar shouldnt be ran without test. Most people use anavar as a cutter not for size. 15lbs is alot and he "could be" in the special case, but my guess is that he wasnt eating enough before anyway.

    4) Again going back to your age. Your diet, training,sleep and RESEARCH should be everything that you do. Alot of board members can give you first hand knowledge of how bad it sucks starting young at your age and what they go through now.

    Goal luck and hope you make the right choice.

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    Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

    The only reason I was going to run Anivar was that I heard it has no sides hahah! that's the only reason I'm considering running it... I only ****ed with that prohormone shit because it's the same as an oral such as anivar pretty much. only thing is there's barely research on them so i'm floating from forum to forum reading in hopes of finding info on em. Finally thought i'd just make an account on this forum and ask.

    Anyway, I'm 20, 180 lbs, BF 15%-16%, height 6'2''. training experience, this is my second full year.


    my PCT is looking like: D-aspartic acid 3000mg/day, trib 4-5 caps daily, fenugreek 3x, erase (estrogen inhibitor).


    last time I ran the pros i didn't get any sides really... except a little on edge hahaha.


    Anyways, I really hope this gets a reply. I honestly don't want to shut down my natural test production, i've just been assuming that var isn't that crazy, and that its pretty good for sides (why women run it?) I'm thinking with a good diet, and that pct i should be okay, but honestly bros please give me some information on what is to come ahead or if this truly is as bad as being 20 and running stacks of injections and orals and the sort.


    Please correct me if i'm wrong anywhere in anything I say, I mean that's the reason i'm writing and asking here right? Ya'll some smart people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh73 View Post
    Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

    The only reason I was going to run Anivar was that I heard it has no sides hahah! that's the only reason I'm considering running it... I only ****ed with that prohormone shit because it's the same as an oral such as anivar pretty much. only thing is there's barely research on them so i'm floating from forum to forum reading in hopes of finding info on em. Finally thought i'd just make an account on this forum and ask.

    Anyway, I'm 20, 180 lbs, BF 15%-16%, height 6'2''. training experience, this is my second full year.


    my PCT is looking like: D-aspartic acid 3000mg/day, trib 4-5 caps daily, fenugreek 3x, erase (estrogen inhibitor).


    last time I ran the pros i didn't get any sides really... except a little on edge hahaha.


    Anyways, I really hope this gets a reply. I honestly don't want to shut down my natural test production, i've just been assuming that var isn't that crazy, and that its pretty good for sides (why women run it?) I'm thinking with a good diet, and that pct i should be okay, but honestly bros please give me some information on what is to come ahead or if this truly is as bad as being 20 and running stacks of injections and orals and the sort.


    Please correct me if i'm wrong anywhere in anything I say, I mean that's the reason i'm writing and asking here right? Ya'll some smart people.


    Again my/our advice. Wait, you have alot of reading to do. Thats not a pct and again you are to young.

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    Alright, can you send me a few reads? It would save me time on finding trusted ones, cause i'm assuming you have that covered too.

    Appreciate it bro. It's just I want to know why I shouldn't run it at this time?? Will one 6 week cycle of var really be that bad? I'm asking honestly here not being all cocky or nothing just want straight answer. Tired of just guessing about stuff you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh73 View Post
    Alright, can you send me a few reads? It would save me time on finding trusted ones, cause i'm assuming you have that covered too.

    Appreciate it bro. It's just I want to know why I shouldn't run it at this time?? Will one 6 week cycle of var really be that bad? I'm asking honestly here not being all cocky or nothing just want straight answer. Tired of just guessing about stuff you know?


    We have stickies high lighted in red on this site. Read thos. Tells you EVERYTHING you need to know.

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    You are 6" taller than me and I have more muscle mass than you (i'm still natural). You can gain SO much more naturally, don't waste that!
    In the end, it is your decision, and i hope the best for you....but I don't think it would be a good idea to run gear given your circumstances. Seeing as you are a kineseology student, you should be learning/already know the principles for growth. You can get HUGE natural, it just takes time. At 20, we can grow pretty quick if we do things right.

    I do have a suggestion for you on your diet, though: Add 25g sugar or any other fast digesting carb in with your post w.o. shake. Throw in some oatmeal if you can choke it down, too.
    The best post w.o. meal is going to consist of protein, and then around a 50/50 split of fast and slow digesting carbs. (Hint: Insulin is used by some bodybuilders because it crams nutrients into cells; take advantage of your body's own reaction to carbs --- INSULIN!) The day I started doing that after a workout, I noticed that my gains increased significantly.

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    been doing that. I guess you guys are kind of right. It's not really in my best interest right now. I have time, and it's kind of a waste of money. i'm going to try and sell it, cause hey I know a few guys who would love it. I'm just being lazy I guess. Anything good needs time, that should be a no brainer. Maybe when I'm 30 i'll get on the gear, I mean what would I have to lose at that point lmao.


    JUST TAKES SOOO LONG naturally... damnnn. I'm going to do it though, I know I can.

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    Having a great base to start from is the key. Everyone screws that up. Its like building a house, building, ect. The foundation is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh73 View Post
    been doing that. I guess you guys are kind of right. It's not really in my best interest right now. I have time, and it's kind of a waste of money. i'm going to try and sell it, cause hey I know a few guys who would love it. I'm just being lazy I guess. Anything good needs time, that should be a no brainer. Maybe when I'm 30 i'll get on the gear, I mean what would I have to lose at that point lmao.


    JUST TAKES SOOO LONG naturally... damnnn. I'm going to do it though, I know I can.
    With your stats and age, it really wont take that long man. Inall seriousness, you will shock yourself with just diet. I started a strict diet before I touched AAS about 2 months before,andgot intoa great workout program. I am lean anyways and seemed to never gain lean mass. Once the diet got semi-dialed in, I put on 5 lbs in a month, and my BF went down alot! AndI am 30. I couldnt imagine what would have happend if I was 20 again. Oh to be your age once more...... Youre being smart by asking questions. You are being even smarted by staying natty. The onlyreasone I evenstarted experimentingwas becasue I have Low T. That my friend, you DONT want right now. Be patient. The natural gains will always stay, barringyou stick to the correct macros and quality of food. Then after more research, jump on if you still feel the need. I dont think 25 is the magic number, but it is a safe bet. Give it al least a few more years, and see what your decision is then. Stick around and help us deal with the newbies that are not being and smart or mature as you. You do that, many doors will openfor you as far as solid advice. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh73 View Post
    been doing that. I guess you guys are kind of right. It's not really in my best interest right now. I have time, and it's kind of a waste of money. i'm going to try and sell it, cause hey I know a few guys who would love it. I'm just being lazy I guess. Anything good needs time, that should be a no brainer. Maybe when I'm 30 i'll get on the gear, I mean what would I have to lose at that point lmao.


    JUST TAKES SOOO LONG naturally... damnnn. I'm going to do it though, I know I can.
    and do you think that AAS gains are permanent? i'll tell you now straight up that you lose the gains each time and just end up doing more. yada yada yada. by the way, your mate is full of shit, that dosage of anavar would be barely even noticeable never mind the gains he and you are claiming.

    jez, only back in this section 2mins, and its full of kids that think they know it all as per fvcking usual. bye bye AAS section...............
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