almost good to go with first cycle, need vets advice on some things first

[smeeto]

Hey, I've already posted about the cycle that I'm planning but wanted a final thumbs up from some vets before going for it, and also i had some small last minute questions that I just thought of. I'm 24 and floating around 190-200 pounds, I'll be getting full bloodwork done before i start and I will be checking my blood pressure every week on cycle. This is what I've got:
weeks 1-12: Test E at 200mg twice a week, Arimidex at .5mg every other day
weeks 12&13: Arimidex at 0.5mg every other day
my main question was in terms of what to do now for PCT, should i go with Clomid at 50mg per day for 3 weeks or Nolvadex at 40mg per day for 1 week then 20mg per day for 2 weeks, or should i taper off my test and go with a different dose? I don't see many people on these forums recommending tapering off. Also, I've got some good Clen on hand from the cutting cycle i did in preparation for this test cycle, would it be a good idea to throw it in somewhere for the PCT because of its anti catabolic effects?
Lastly, would 3cc/ml 25g syringes work?
Final Lastly, the anti spam thing should really tell you what in your post isn't kosher, took me awhile to figure out that the at symbol was the problem

[austinite]

How tall are you and what's your BF %?

Your AI can start @ .25 EOD and you can end it with your last injection. No need to take it into PCT.

PCT with clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

25g syringe is fine. 1" is fine, probably 1.5" if hitting the glutes. Might want to get some 18 g to draw your gear. If you draw with a 25g, by the time you're done drawing you'll be ready for your next injection.

[Neevor]

Lol.. I was just checking his profile for height and body fat.. what's your height and body fat?

[Lunk1]

How tall are you and what's your BF %?

Your AI can start @ .25 EOD and you can end it with your last injection. No need to take it into PCT.

PCT with clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

25g syringe is fine. 1" is fine, probably 1.5" if hitting the glutes. Might want to get some 18 g to draw your gear. If you draw with a 25g, by the time you're done drawing you'll be ready for your next injection.

That's not true...it only takes me about an hour or so to draw in 2.5CC

[smeeto]

5'10 around 10% bf. When you say the i can start the arimidex at .25, do you mean to start with that and up it if i start feelings signs of gyno? And both Nolva and Clomid are needed for PCT, one or the other wont do?
edited for typo

[Lunk1]

Smeeto: I'm 24//5'10//190lbs//10%bf been training naturally for 3 and a half years

[smeeto]

yeah, i put that in my other threads. Couldn't just go back in and copy paste it because I don't even have permission to view my own profile to see those threads >.>

[Lunk1]

yeah, i put that in my other threads. Couldn't just go back in and copy paste it because I don't even have permission to view my own profile to see those threads >.>

No prob...just helping you out...Your in good hands here with Austin...whatever he says, follow it like gospil and say thank you!

[austinite]

5'10 around 10% bf. When you say the i can start the arimidex at .25, do you mean to start with that and up it if i start feelings signs of gyno? And both Nolva and Clomid are needed for PCT, one or the other wont do?
edited for typo

WOW. You're a monster

.25 is a start, if no issues, finish with .25. If you see issues, increase to .5. But When I say "See issues" - I'm not referring to the mirror. I'm referring to bloodwork. You should get estro checked to make sure you're taking enough. you also want to make sure you're not taking too much. No estro is no good.

PCT question answered above.

[Neevor]

Checked out your previous posts.. glad you dropped the turinabol. Either clomid or boobs by itself will help but together they are better.. as you are a member spend some time reading the vets threads on the benifits of both. I ran a xouple pcts on nolva alone before I smartened up.. I think marcus has a good one on the two of them.

I wouldn't worry so much about the arimadex.. on such a low dose is be shocked if you needed it. I've run cycles 5 times the size of this one and only needed an AI just a little. Estrogen is very useful in the muscle building process and eliminating it completely will hurt your gains a little.

[Neevor]

Awesome.. my phone edited nolva to boobs. Boobs are great for post cycle therapy as long as they aren't yours

[austinite]

Checked out your previous posts.. glad you dropped the turinabol. Either clomid or boobs by itself will help but together they are better.. as you are a member spend some time reading the vets threads on the benifits of both. I ran a xouple pcts on nolva alone before I smartened up.. I think marcus has a good one on the two of them.

I wouldn't worry so much about the arimadex.. on such a low dose is be shocked if you needed it. I've run cycles 5 times the size of this one and only needed an AI just a little. Estrogen is very useful in the muscle building process and eliminating it completely will hurt your gains a little.

400mg of test is not a low dose. And not worrying about adex is not a good idea. Not even remotely close to a good idea.

[smeeto]

yeah i want to play it safe, I know I'm on the cusp of when AAS are safe and I don't want to push it too far, i though since turinabol is one of the most mild orals that I should roll with it, but i got a lot of people advising me otherwise.
I'm just concerned about the Arimidex because im afraid of gyno and getting moobs more than the devil himself, I hit my upper chest a ton so that I wont and I'd hate to lose all that work i did because of ****ing something up on my first cycle.

[Lunk1]

yeah i want to play it safe, I know I'm on the cusp of when AAS are safe and I don't want to push it too far, i though since turinabol is one of the most mild orals that I should roll with it, but i got a lot of people advising me otherwise.
I'm just concerned about the Arimidex because im afraid of gyno and getting moobs more than the devil himself, I hit my upper chest a ton so that I wont and I'd hate to lose all that work i did because of ****ing something up on my first cycle.

I believe where Neevor is coming from is the fact that there are some AI's that will shut down estro production entirely. The goal is to have just enough estro in your body to function properly.. The dosage of Adex that Austin is discussing with you will help keep estro low but not entirely supress it.

[Neevor]

400mg test is twice the maintenance dose for a bodybuilder on Ttherapy. It's the lowest dose anyone would refinement for a billing cycle for a beginner. So by "lowest" I mean "smallest amount that's worth taking on a bulking cycle".

And when I say "don't worry about adex" I don't mean sell your shit and buy yourself something nice.. I mean at 400mgs of test his estrogen levels aren't gonna be big enough to cause problems unless he is one of the lucky ones whos bodies go estrogen crazy. That is "keep it on hand" but I personally feel that just running adex from the start is a waste of money. I mean while your at it you better start washing daily w some acne face cream just in case..

[Neevor]

I believe where Neevor is coming from is the fact that there are some AI's that will shut down estro production entirely. The goal is to have just enough estro in your body to function properly.. The dosage of Adex that Austin is discussing with you will help keep estro low but not entirely supress it.

Thank you Lunk

[austinite]

yeah i want to play it safe, I know I'm on the cusp of when AAS are safe and I don't want to push it too far, i though since turinabol is one of the most mild orals that I should roll with it, but i got a lot of people advising me otherwise.
I'm just concerned about the Arimidex because im afraid of gyno and getting moobs more than the devil himself, I hit my upper chest a ton so that I wont and I'd hate to lose all that work i did because of ****ing something up on my first cycle.

please read this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UFt1LrJlSDk

[Neevor]

Refinement for a billing cycle? Son of a bitch.. how do I turn the auto correct on my effing phone off!?

Recomend for a bulking cycle.. Jeezz

[Lunk1]

Refinement for a billing cycle? Son of a bitch.. how do I turn the auto correct on my effing phone off!?

Recomend for a bulking cycle.. Jeezz

Go to your setting and you should be able to turn off auto correct...although I LIKE that it says boobs

[Neevor]

Gyno doesn't just show up one morning.. you wake up and you've suddenly got tits. I'm Gyno prone. My family has a small history of male breast cancer and I have larger than average male mamory glands according to my doctor. So when I started I was super paranoid about Gyno too. I didn't end up needing anything to combat Gyno until I ran a huge testE, deca, and Dbol stack and even then you have warning. It's easy to tell cause your nips will be sore one morning and if you don't treat it they will continue to get more sore. If you still ignore this symptom then you are in danger. But again, its not like you won't have warning and time to treat it before anything permanent happens. That is my experience.

[Lunk1]

The thing with an AI at low doses Neevor is that some estro related sides can't be noticed in the mirror. Is it said that there is a SLIGHT decrease in the muscle buit while using an AI...yup, Ive read it. But the gains will still exixt and if I had to trade a few ounces to a pound of gain to keep estro related sides away,,,seems woth it to me.

[Neevor]

Yes lol, your phone auto correct can tell you a lot about your favorite topics. You type in "cough syrup" and your phone goes "you MUST have meant 'ghetto booty', ill fix it for you"

[smeeto]

thanks for the link to the thread, going through it now

[Lunk1]

Gyno doesn't just show up one morning.. you wake up and you've suddenly got tits. I'm Gyno prone. My family has a small history of male breast cancer and I have larger than average male mamory glands according to my doctor. So when I started I was super paranoid about Gyno too. I didn't end up needing anything to combat Gyno until I ran a huge testE, deca, and Dbol stack and even then you have warning. It's easy to tell cause your nips will be sore one morning and if you don't treat it they will continue to get more sore. If you still ignore this symptom then you are in danger. But again, its not like you won't have warning and time to treat it before anything permanent happens. That is my experience.

I would suggest a good read on swifto's sticky about running an AI. If I remember in your greeting that you have been out of the "game" for a bit and things are constantly changing. Gyno is only 1 of the many estro related side affects to deal with.

Again... I know where your coming from but I think this is a safer than sorry issue.

[stpete]

Everything looks good. Yes, run the AI from start.

Good Luck

[Neevor]

I believe where Neevor is coming from is the fact that there are some AI's that will shut down estro production entirely. The goal is to have just enough estro in your body to function properly.. The dosage of Adex that Austin is discussing with you will help keep estro low but not entirely supress it.

I understand your point here Lunk. I guess I feel confident enough in my ability to detect things like swollen joints, bloat, sensitive nips to bot stress about it and just be prepared. I'll eat my shorts if he gets actual Gyno from 400mgs but if it eases your mind then I guess go for it smeeto.

[Lunk1]

I understand your point here Lunk. I guess I feel confident enough in my ability to detect things like swollen joints, bloat, sensitive nips to bot stress about it and just be prepared. I'll eat my shorts if he gets actual Gyno from 400mgs but if it eases your mind then I guess go for it smeeto.

I am not saying your wrong either. I have seen your cycle history so your far from newb. I never used to run it either but I started on this cycle mainly as a precaustion and high BP. Granted my cycle is a little different but I still see that the benifits of a MILD AI outweigh the disadvantages

[Neevor]

I would suggest a good read on swifto's sticky about running an AI. If I remember in your greeting that you have been out of the "game" for a bit and things are constantly changing. Gyno is only 1 of the many estro related side affects to deal with.

Again... I know where your coming from but I think this is a safer than sorry issue.

Well now I see St Pete has chimed in as well so I guess ill shut my mouth and reread swifto's post. Thanks for being gentle w me Lunk.. two years ago I felt like I was running w the big dogs. Guess the ol' pride didn't wanna admit I might need to play a little catch up. :-)

[Neevor]

Btw smeeto, I noticed no one ever addressed your question about clen. That is a really great question and shows you've done your research. I used to consider myself a clen expert and would answer your question happily but I'm a lttle hesitant after being taken down a peg in this thread. ::sheepish grin:: My advice would be not to run clen in PCT but that is based on your body needing lots if calories to maintain gains in the few weeks after a cycle ends and clen causes you to burn more calories. I also recall that there used to be some controversy over anabolic effects of clen and I'm not sure how those would effect you getting your natural test back online as quickly as possible. There's a good chance tho that those questions have been resolved one way or another in the last two years.

[Lunk1]

Well now I see St Pete has chimed in as well so I guess ill shut my mouth and reread swifto's post. Thanks for being gentle w me Lunk.. two years ago I felt like I was running w the big dogs. Guess the ol' pride didn't wanna admit I might need to play a little catch up. :-)

Its all good my friend, glad to see you back and active. I am looking forward to seeing your REtransformation in near future. You have alot of real knowledge to share so it will be nice having you around.

[smeeto]

Yeah thats the general idea i got, that there is no solid research or abundance of personal experience to make a clear call on it. I'll just leave it out to be on the safe side, PCT experimentation is not an area that i want to be a trailblazer in.

[smeeto]

Thanks so much for your help and advice everyone, this forum has been by far the best resource out there for double checking that the information i collected on my own was solid. I have much better peace of mind now knowing that you all are backing up my plan.