Why is the age limit on here 21 for steroids?

[rhoads90]

Just wondering. Everyone is already gone completely through puberty by 18 so why is the limit 21?

[Bonaparte]

Where the hell did you get that idea? Barely anyone has finished maturing by 18.

[rhoads90]

Where the hell did you get that idea? Barely anyone has finished maturing by 18.

People dont get any taller after 18. I am talking growth. Most do not grow any more after 18 they just get older

[t-dogg]

Actaully its 25 years old that is a safe age.

[Bonaparte]

People dont get any taller after 18. I am talking growth. Most do not grow any more after 18 they just get older

Plenty of guys grow taller in their early 20s.
But the main concern is HPTA maturation, not height.

[stpete]

People dont get any taller after 18. I am talking growth. Most do not grow any more after 18 they just get older

Wrong. My cousin for example grew like a weed from 19-22. At 22 he ended up being 6'9" and 320lbs. Played briefly for the S.F. 49ers. No AAS either.

[BBJT200]

Your adrenal system isn't done developing yet until you're in your mid twenties. If you take steroids, you suppress your body's natural testosterone production and basically suppress your adrenals. This leads to problems with the HPTA

[Atomini]

Growth plates do not fully fuse until about the age of 24. So, any potential growth between the ages of 18 - 24 could be halted with the use of AAS.

And the HPTA has not fully matured in most people until the age of 24 either. So you're wrong.

[Lunk1]

I grew almost 2 inches after high school....and 70 pounds lol

[gonzo6183]

umm WTF? most males grow into their 20s but as mentioned it is more to do with your HPTA not your height so the age is 24/25 not 21

[OdinsOtherSon]

Irrespective of height or any other visible physical features, the main concern, IMHO, would be total endocrine system maturity/permanent damage of HTPA

[Fllifter]

From 21-22 I grew almost another 1" . It can happen

[binsser]

To be honest half the people on here started gear before they were 25 they just wont tell you that as its a safe marker to start the gear but myself and alot of others started quite early and are fine its all down to the individual and how your body handles it its a bit unsafe at a early age because people have messed up but youll always get that youll have 85 percent who are fine and 15 percent who really mess up its just a gamble at your age weather your in that 15 percent bracket because you really dont want to be mate but its the same with everything !

it comes down to this = Its up to you but you need to know everything about what your doing and i mean EVERYTHING!

[gearbox]

Many started on here at an early age and were doing aas before some 18 yr olds were even born.
Science is always changing and we are continuing to know more about aas and how and when to cycle properly to maintain are overall health and grow muscles beyond our genetic limit

[stpete]

To be honest half the people on here started gear before they were 25 they just wont tell you that as its a safe marker to start the gear but myself and alot of others started quite early and are fine its all down to the individual and how your body handles it its a bit unsafe at a early age because people have messed up but youll always get that youll have 85 percent who are fine and 15 percent who really mess up its just a gamble at your age weather your in that 15 percent bracket because you really dont want to be mate but its the same with everything !

it comes down to this = Its upto you but you need to lnow everything about what your doing and i mean EVERYTHING!

I know plenty that didn't. Including myself:27

[Lunk1]

To be honest half the people on here started gear before they were 25 they just wont tell you that as its a safe marker to start the gear but myself and alot of others started quite early and are fine its all down to the individual and how your body handles it its a bit unsafe at a early age because people have messed up but youll always get that youll have 85 percent who are fine and 15 percent who really mess up its just a gamble at your age weather your in that 15 percent bracket because you really dont want to be mate but its the same with everything !

it comes down to this = Its upto you but you need to lnow everything about what your doing and i mean EVERYTHING!

I didn't start till I was 35...and your responses to these threads is wreckless!!!!!!!!!!

[binsser]

well thats your opinoin and i dont give a sht about it !!!! like anyone is really going to listen to you after fishing out this site you can guide them make then knowledgeable but dont be fooled into thinking you can tell them what to do!!!!

[Lunk1]

Your right that MOST never listen to solid advise. Some because they are ignorant and SOME because some dbag comes along and says something in ttheir thread that they can grasp ahold of and twist around until they make believe it's the green light to use steroids.

On rare occassion some have listened and are still here, getting help in the nutrition section and the workout forum. Watching, waiting and learning until the time is right when the most can be made of their cycle with minimal risks.

I will take pride in knowing that I can help a few the RIGHT away and that I had nooo part in helping someone make unsafe, unsound and completely wreckless decision.

[binsser]

like i said thats your opinion theres no green light given either itll take at least a couple of years to study the compound properly with training and diet so cant see how half the people on this board are wreckless for starting alittle early either year by year we learn something new and better for ever learning its all a life time learning curve if you want a slagging match shot off go on face book bud youll prob get one knowing you like i said everyone has there own opinion its up to him who he decides to choose !!!

[gixxerboy1]

well thats your opinoin and i dont give a sht about it !!!! like anyone is really going to listen to you after fishing out this site you can guide them make then knowledgeable but dont be fooled into thinking you can tell them what to do!!!!

Relax. Every time the is a thread about young people taking steroids you go on the attack.
There are plenty of guys who change their minds after finding this site and getting educated on what can happen. I just read one this morning.
And if you want to post number that 85% will be fine. Please show something to back that up.
And yes i started just before i turned 23 and was on hrt in my late 20's. When i was 22 i didn't know or understand all the hpta stuff. There wasnt as much info available back then. Would i have changed my mind if i knew then? Who knows. But i would have rather have had the info and make a decision off of it then someone just saying 85% will be fine. Here is the best way to do it.

[binsser]

Fair enough i think what you posted is fair i do get abit funny because i think it isnt as bad as everyone makes out especialy as most did start earlyer and still say u should wait ,Maybe im just lucky i started at 18 with big cycles and this site over the years has helped and guided me alot so im thankful of that but 25 before you start for me was always abit over the top thats all and i only get pissed off when people say there opionions and straight after start slating mine are they far more superior ??? no its just the way of saying something i know over 8 of my friends that did start early but they didnt know alot about the test/results done now as it was years ago and that was back then and are fine so yeah your right mate but i dont get funny about the opinion its fine , its just his remark after that !!

[Honkey_Kong]

Relax. Every time the is a thread about young people taking steroids you go on the attack.
There are plenty of guys who change their minds after finding this site and getting educated on what can happen. I just read one this morning.
And if you want to post number that 85% will be fine. Please show something to back that up.
And yes i started just before i turned 23 and was on hrt in my late 20's. When i was 22 i didn't know or understand all the hpta stuff. There wasnt as much info available back then. Would i have changed my mind if i knew then? Who knows. But i would have rather have had the info and make a decision off of it then someone just saying 85% will be fine. Here is the best way to do it.

Gixxer, you're also forgetting to mention about the guys that are too embarrassed to make posts that say they have problems. An anonymous message board or not, guys don't want to post that their dick doesn't work anymore.

[binsser]

ha ha ha you only get that on shut down after cycle a week later your mint again and from what i can gather is very rare but does happen but isnt text book bud come on trt is the most common from what ive learnt and surely you can shag still on trt you jacked for life basiclly or am i wrong i want to know if i am im interested in this now ???

[Phased]

Getting mad at an individual for knowledge they don't have solves nothing. Consider us the blessed 1% of this area of the world that knows anything about these kinds of drugs. People come here for help, not to be ridiculed. I like to think that thoughtful persuasion is more appropriate in dealing with individuals that don't have the knowledge as some do here.

By stressing the facts about youth and steroids and what it can do to them long term should and hopefully will be enough to stop some, (but not all) from going down that path. However lets try to remember that this is a steroid forum and not natrualbodybuilding.com (its safe to assume even those guys use gear as well at some point) and people are going to do what they want in the end. I rather applaud someones courage to post against the grain and possibly learn something rather then go by unnoticed and mess themselves up. Something else to think is the thousands that don't and we never hear from that hurt themselves. at least the ones that post, we have a chance to help and save.

Just food for thought,
See you around

[Sharmthetics]

Go to other steroid forums and they happily help you to do the safest cycle possible, even if you are under twenty five.

[austinite]

Go to other steroid forums and they happily help you to do the safest cycle possible, even if you are under twenty five.

You can go with him.

[Sharmthetics]

You can go with him.

Why you so mad son? Why can't we just get some good advice around here. What if I test the waters with a test only cycle - will you help me then?

[dec11]

To be honest half the people on here started gear before they were 25 they just wont tell you that as its a safe marker to start the gear but myself and alot of others started quite early and are fine its all down to the individual and how your body handles it its a bit unsafe at a early age because people have messed up but youll always get that youll have 85 percent who are fine and 15 percent who really mess up its just a gamble at your age weather your in that 15 percent bracket because you really dont want to be mate but its the same with everything !

it comes down to this = Its upto you but you need to lnow everything about what your doing and i mean EVERYTHING!

yeah and just look at you, you're a tank!!

well thats your opinoin and i dont give a sht about it !!!! like anyone is really going to listen to you after fishing out this site you can guide them make then knowledgeable but dont be fooled into thinking you can tell them what to do!!!!

yep, your attitude was starting to shine through on my thread, we can now see it here nicely. well done you..........

[austinite]

Why you so mad son? Why can't we just get some good advice around here. What if I test the waters with a test only cycle - will you help me then?

I'm not mad at all. The problem isn't giving advice. The problem is the defense mechanism that most kids have when they do get advice. Telling a 19 or 20 year old not to cycle due to the dangers, is valid advice. You may not think so, but it is.

The other problem is most kids are lazy and want some miracle drug. So lazy, that they will repeatedly ask the same questions over and over and over again... waiting for someone to tell them what they want to hear. So lazy that they can't use the search function, click a few links and read a couple of articles.

Everything you and everyone else ever wanted to know about cycling is already been spoken of. Archived for your convenience.

I don't expect you to understand today. But I know you will 5 years from now. Do you remember when you were 14 or 15 years old? Remember your interests? Things change, huh? Makes you wonder how in just a few years you go from wanting to be the best skateboarder ever, to a bodybuilder. Well, 5 years from now you will be a different person. You'll understand then.

[Sharmthetics]

I'm not mad at all. The problem isn't giving advice. The problem is the defense mechanism that most kids have when they do get advice. Telling a 19 or 20 year old not to cycle due to the dangers, is valid advice. You may not think so, but it is.

The other problem is most kids are lazy and want some miracle drug. So lazy, that they will repeatedly ask the same questions over and over and over again... waiting for someone to tell them what they want to hear. So lazy that they can't use the search function, click a few links and read a couple of articles.

Everything you and everyone else ever wanted to know about cycling is already been spoken of. Archived for your convenience.

I don't expect you to understand today. But I know you will 5 years from now. Do you remember when you were 14 or 15 years old? Remember your interests? Things change, huh? Makes you wonder how in just a few years you go from wanting to be the best skateboarder ever, to a bodybuilder. Well, 5 years from now you will be a different person. You'll understand then.

Fuark, when you say it like that it is true. It's a lifestyle change I want to make though. I want to be bigger, leaner, and healthier than I've ever been. A lot of people, even my mates think I don't have what it takes to do it. I want to prove them wrong because proving haters and doubters wrong would be one of the best feelings you could experience. Thanks for your advice.

[austinite]

Fuark, when you say it like that it is true. It's a lifestyle change I want to make though. I want to be bigger, leaner, and healthier than I've ever been. A lot of people, even my mates think I don't have what it takes to do it. I want to prove them wrong because proving haters and doubters wrong would be one of the best feelings you could experience. Thanks for your advice.

When your friends have limp dicks (like me) because they cycled so early, they will be sitting at home and you will be the big guy with the nice blonde

Pay now (at the gym)... and play later (AAS)

or... you can play now... and pay later!

[Phased]

Fuark, when you say it like that it is true. It's a lifestyle change I want to make though. I want to be bigger, leaner, and healthier than I've ever been. A lot of people, even my mates think I don't have what it takes to do it. I want to prove them wrong because proving haters and doubters wrong would be one of the best feelings you could experience. Thanks for your advice.

Respect is not earned in the weight room, its earned through mutual respect for others, there will always be people that don't like you regardless of how big you get. If your goals are what you mention steroids may or may not be the way for you. Your only 20 and have your whole life ahead of you. See past the gym and the muscles and strive for a higher purpose behind what you can achieve physically. We all get old, lose our hair and eventually die. Its living rightly that counts, not how much you can bench.
See you around. Wish you the best in the future.

[dec11]

Respect is not earned in the weight room, its earned through mutual respect for others, there will always be people that don't like you regardless of how big you get. If your goals are what you mention steroids may or may not be the way for you. Your only 20 and have your whole life ahead of you. See past the gym and the muscles and strive for a higher purpose behind what you can achieve physically. We all get old, lose our hair and eventually die. Its living rightly that counts, not how much you can bench.
See you around. Wish you the best in the future.

the username always give a good solid hint of what you're dealing with lol

[Phased]

Brother I'm too old to even know what a Sharm is. I hope the kid the best though. Hopefully he will make the right decisions.

[dec11]

Brother I'm too old to even know what a Sharm is. I hope the kid the best though. Hopefully he will make the right decisions.

true, we all had to grow up i suppose, unfortunately my growing up involved the early 90's acid house/rave scene lol

[Sharmthetics]

true, we all had to grow up i suppose, unfortunately my growing up involved the early 90's acid house/rave scene lol

Trance/progressive house/dance music scene kid here.

[Phased]

true, we all had to grow up i suppose, unfortunately my growing up involved the early 90's acid house/rave scene lol

My 90's consisted of schoolwork and more schoolwork, HS class 99, college summer class of 2004.
So you got one up on me, you had way more fun than I did. I went to one rave in hs and never went back.
I remember like one or two actual parties I went to and enjoyed, the rest I did not bother with.
I was always the guy with a steady gf and didn't go out too much, rather be at home with her cooking me cookies and having sex! :0)
The years do pass don't they though

[Sharmthetics]

My 90's consisted of schoolwork and more schoolwork, HS class 99, college summer class of 2004.
So you got one up on me, you had way more fun than I did. I went to one rave in hs and never went back.
I remember like one or two actual parties I went to and enjoyed, the rest I did not bother with.
I was always the guy with a steady gf and didn't go out too much, rather be at home with her cooking me cookies and having sex! :0)
The years do pass don't they though

Huge white knight!

[dec11]

My 90's consisted of schoolwork and more schoolwork, HS class 99, college summer class of 2004.
So you got one up on me, you had way more fun than I did. I went to one rave in hs and never went back.
I remember like one or two actual parties I went to and enjoyed, the rest I did not bother with.
I was always the guy with a steady gf and didn't go out too much, rather be at home with her cooking me cookies and having sex! :0)
The years do pass don't they though

yeah, you did it the sensible way though. trust me, it was much harder getting a degree done in my early 30's, what with all the living cost restraints and working.

i dont rem most of the women i had sex with in that era lol

[dec11]

Trance/progressive house/dance music scene kid here.

good lad, im primarily a metal head but i still loves me banging trance!