why is it so baf for first cycle to include tren

[rhoads90]

Its not like tren behaves any different whether its urfirst oko or 4th cycle. Why cant i?

[austinite]

Well first of all Tren should not be used without Test. And since it would be a first cycle, you don't even know how you will react to test. Test will be the base for all cycles and thats why it should be used a few times alone first.

Tren is quite a harsh compound and lots of people arent able to tolerate the sides.

Just in case you are considering cycling, I'll quote marcus below in a very important post he made:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[t-dogg]

^^^^^

What he said. Plus tren is 5times stronger then test.

[stpete]

See how you do w/the test for now. down the road you can throw in a 19-nor like deca and see how you manage that. Not advisable to suggest tren and all it's crazy sides till you have a few cycles under your belt.

[gixxerboy1]

Its not like tren behaves any different whether its urfirst oko or 4th cycle. Why cant i?

for all the reasons the other guys said and its over kill. Why take more then you need? you can get great results on a test only first cycle. I dont know anyone who did it right and were disappointed after using test only.
Its like 2 kids going out for a first drink wanting to get buzzed. So instead of a couple beers that would do it fine the other kid pounds shot of tequila all night. Yes they both got buzzed. But the tequila kid spent more $$ and feels like shit for the next couple days.

[Sworder]

Using the minimum amount of androgens to experience maximal gains is advisable. Trenbolone is usually overkill in the first cycle as stated.

[Lunk1]

Besides...your young ass was told to work on your diet...I have only seen the one post from you over there. You should spend more time eating and doing carddio and less time asking silly questions. Your grounded...

[bigZthedestroyer]

Besides...your young ass was told to work on your diet...I have only seen the one post from you over there. You should spend more time eating and doing carddio and less time asking silly questions. Your grounded...

Haha, daddy lunk is gonna break out the belt!

[dec11]

im in no way encouraging it for first time use but would like to point out the sides are a tad exaggerated also, tren used at a sensible dose will give minimal sides, more 'uncomfortable' than nasty

[MR-FQ320]

^^^^ sensible dosage ? Ie 350 mg/week ?

[songdog]

Why is taking advice so haed for you? The guys here told you wat you needed to do.Are you looking for short cuts?

[rhoads90]

im in no way encouraging it for first time use but would like to point out the sides are a tad exaggerated also, tren used at a sensible dose will give minimal sides, more 'uncomfortable' than nasty

I was thinking more along the lines of 200mg tren A for the first time i use tren. I could bump it up to 300mg Tren A if i dont have probs with sides....tren a is only in the system for a few days so i can remove it if its that bad of side effects, no big deal. I dont know why people act like its some awful drug that stays in your system for weeks. Tren A isnt tren e, I can just stop using and im ok...,.

[rhoads90]

Why is taking advice so haed for you? The guys here told you wat you needed to do.Are you looking for short cuts?

No, I am planning my first cycle 6 months from now. I am just asking questions

[Lunk1]

I was thinking more along the lines of 200g tren A for the first time i use tren. Tren A is only in the system for a few days so i can remove it if its that bad of side effects, no big deal. I dont know why people act like its some awful drug that stays in your system for weeks. Tren A isnt tren e, I can just stop using and im ok...,.

Just like how test is test...tren is tren. The difference in the ester doesn't change the effects o the compound or the sides that come with it. Some might argue that they feel less sides with one or the other but I think it has more to do with how long you have the compound in your body.

[Lunk1]

No, I am planning my first cycle 6 months from now. I am just asking questions

How is that nutrition planning coming along????

[songdog]

Tren is a more advanced compound.One that should be used after your gains have slowed using other compounds.So why use the most powerful 1st? You wont get any bigger beacuse you grow in steps.Now do you understand?

[dec11]

^^^^ sensible dosage ? Ie 350 mg/week ?

yeah mild enough for sides and strong enough for good gains

I was thinking more along the lines of 200mg tren A for the first time i use tren. I could bump it up to 300mg Tren A if i dont have probs with sides....tren a is only in the system for a few days so i can remove it if its that bad of side effects, no big deal. I dont know why people act like its some awful drug that stays in your system for weeks. Tren A isnt tren e, I can just stop using and im ok...,.

what age are you?

[gonzo6183]

Id say there is a lot of people on here that would say that their first cycle of test only was the best they ever did, its all new to your body and you will get so much from it if diet and training is in check, tren just isnt needed, save it for when you need it

[songdog]

At 22 you need to get back in the diet section.

[lovbyts]

To put it in simple terms it's the same reason you don't want to learn to drive in a Ferrari or Formula 1 race car. You want to learn in something a little more easy to control. It may seem fun until you wrap it around a tree.

Also when you start with something much more advance where do you go from there? It's overkill and you wont get out of it what you will if you wait until your 4+ cycle and ready for it.

[rhoads90]

How is that nutrition planning coming along????

Doing keto, and doing the all pro training program ")

[rhoads90]

To put it in simple terms it's the same reason you don't want to learn to drive in a Ferrari or Formula 1 race car. You want to learn in something a little more easy to control. It may seem fun until you wrap it around a tree.

Also when you start with something much more advance where do you go from there? It's overkill and you wont get out of it what you will if you wait until your 4+ cycle and ready for it.

But everyone says test/tren has way more results than test only. I am not looking to keep cyling every year. I just want to do a 1 powerful bulking cycle of test/tren, and one cutting cycle of test tren. and never cycle again What is wrong with this thinking?

[austinite]

But everyone says test/tren has way more results than test only. I am not looking to keep cyling every year. I just want to do a 1 powerful bulking cycle of test/tren, and one cutting cycle of test tren. and never cycle again What is wrong with this thinking?

You already got 20 replies. Take the advice or don't. No one is going to tell you what you want to hear. Don't keep beating this thread to death.

[rhoads90]

You already got 20 replies. Take the advice or don't. No one is going to tell you hat you want to hear.

well is tren okay for a 2nd cycle then?

[austinite]

well is tren okay for a 2nd cycle then?

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

[rhoads90]

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

[austinite]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

Arnold? So you are not 22, you are 17??

This is ridiculous. Good luck.

[warmouth]

Arnold? So you are not 22, you are 17??

This is ridiculous. Good luck.

Another Arnold flashback. LOL!

[Lord Me of There]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

[lovbyts]

But everyone says test/tren has way more results than test only. I am not looking to keep cyling every year. I just want to do a 1 powerful bulking cycle of test/tren, and one cutting cycle of test tren. and never cycle again What is wrong with this thinking?

Everything. It just doesnt work that way and you wont get more out of a 1st cycle of test tren than you would out of tren and you wont get anything out of either if your diet isnt spot on except loosing most everything if not everything you do gain.

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

Agreed unless you dont care about ED, fused growth plates, extreme acne and many other sides.

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

Are you Arnold? Do you have identical genetics? Did he tell you what he took? You are the same as 1000s of kids who thought and said the same thing and have failed miserable due to not having patience and starting slow along with learning. This is not something you want to learn by making mistakes that can effect the rest of your life.

[rhoads90]

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

That is not true. Arnold was measured height and weight when he became gov and they confirmed he was 6.05"...and I am not ignoring what they are saying, I am just asking questions out of curiousity. I am not dumb enough to take tren on my first cycle

[Lord Me of There]

That is not true. Arnold was measured height and weight when he became gov and they confirmed he was 6.05"...and I am not ignoring what they are saying, I am just asking questions out of curiousity. I am not dumb enough to take tren on my first cycle

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

[rhoads90]

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

So I suppose the guy who measured arnie was part of a conspiracy?

[t-dogg]

Some more food for thought.

1) You can take gear that has less sides, safer, ect and make hugh gains for your first mutli cycles, its a no brainer to do that. Jumping right into gear like tren is dumb. Yes its stronger BUT its better to used once gains have slowed over other compounds. Running test for multi cycles is great, until you get into big MG's doses, then you lower the dose of test and can include tren. Alot less gear in your body is the point Im making.

2) Comparing one man at 16 for a stupid argument is dumb. If I understand correctly he had alot of trouble having kids. Not to mention the open heart surguries he had, along with other things.

3) People on here arnt just throwing words around on here. People are giving advice for what is best/safest to do. Nothing more or less. There is a list of "rules" and protocals you can do to make using gear safer for you. If you follow them the chances/sides/downsides are lessed, and if you dont listen well in the end the ONLY person you end up hurting is yourself.


I do hope you are just "asking questions" at this point though.

[t-dogg]

LMAO as far as his height goes, I just did a quick search. Hes been sighted everywhere from 5'10 to 6'2 and a few inbetween...

[rhoads90]

Some more food for thought.

1) You can take gear that has less sides, safer, ect and make hugh gains for your first mutli cycles, its a no brainer to do that. Jumping right into gear like tren is dumb. Yes its stronger BUT its better to used once gains have slowed over other compounds. Running test for multi cycles is great, until you get into big MG's doses, then you lower the dose of test and can include tren. Alot less gear in your body is the point Im making.

2) Comparing one man at 16 for a stupid argument is dumb. If I understand correctly he had alot of trouble having kids. Not to mention the open heart surguries he had, along with other things.

3) People on here arnt just throwing words around on here. People are giving advice for what is best/safest to do. Nothing more or less. There is a list of "rules" and protocals you can do to make using gear safer for you. If you follow them the chances/sides/downsides are lessed, and if you dont listen well in the end the ONLY person you end up hurting is yourself.

I was just curious. No way am I taking a powerful steroid tren anytime soon, I dont wanna deal with all that right now. For the first 2 cycles I am doing test only. For the maybe deca? How does deca compare to tren in side effects and results?


I do hope you are just "asking questions" at this point though.

I was just curious. No way am I taking a powerful steroid tren anytime soon, I dont wanna deal with all that right now. For the first 2 cycles I am doing test only. For third maybe deca? How does deca compare to tren in side effects and results?

[fit2bOld]

Haha, daddy lunk is gonna break out the belt!

Daddy Lunk prefers to be spanked amongst other lewd acts....

[gixxerboy1]

But everyone says test/tren has way more results than test only. I am not looking to keep cyling every year. I just want to do a 1 powerful bulking cycle of test/tren, and one cutting cycle of test tren. and never cycle again What is wrong with this thinking?

besides what everyone else said. You can only gain so much on a cycle no matter what you take. Your body can only add so much muscle so fast. When you see someone add a ton of weight on a bulk its alot of fat and water also. Also you have to give your body time to adapt to the new weight. Adding 20lbs puts more stress on everything. Your body is going to want to drop the weight off. Its a lot healthier doing over time and you will have more chances of keeping the gains

[Lunk1]

Daddy Lunk prefers to be spanked amongst other lewd acts....

Sshhhhhh

[MR-FQ320]

OP, is it getting through to you yet ?

ITS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD MAN !