What should be my first cycle?

[krpytonitez]

Hi All,

I have been working out for about 10 years now off and on. Within the last few years I have really started to push myself. I have taken pro-hormones and other supplements( over the counter TREN) but I think its time to try a real cycle. Everyone here seems to be very knowledgeable on these forums any advice would be greatly appricated. I am 6'2", 215lbs, 25 years old, and sit roughly at 10% body fat. What I am looking for is lean mass gains along with more definition. What would you recommended for first cycle I was looking at winny but after doing some research I was wondering if tbol would be a better starting point for me. Or is there a combination that would best suite my needs to become bigger, stronger, and leaner?

Thank you,

Kryptonitez

[Lunk1]

The first cycle should always be testosterone ONLY. The other compounds you are suggesting would need to be run with a test base to avoid unwanted side affects.

Also I might suggest posting your entire days diet for review in the nutrition section. This is how lean muscle mass is REALLY gained.

[Full_Auto]

sounds like u don't want to pin??

[krpytonitez]

Daily diet
5am
Pre-workout:
8 oz OJ, 1 scoop pre-workout assault

Post-workout/breakfast
8oz 100% cranberry juice, 1 scoop whey isolate (23grams protein), 3 raw eggs, 1 cup 4% cottage cheese large curd

Mid morning snack:
1 cup black beans, 1 cup cheddar cheese, 1/2 cup brown rice

Lunch
3 oz chicken breast, 12 asparagus spears, 2 cup raw spinach, 3 tbsp natural peanut butter

Afternoon snack
3 tbsp cream cheese,10 whole grain crackers, 1 cup steamed broccoli

Dinner
Never set but always a healthy home cooked meal

before bed
2 scoops casein

I can probably have a better diet but for the most part I just try to eat healthy calories

[krpytonitez]

I don't mind pining at all

[Times Roman]

Mate,
Agree with Lunk above. First cycle is unique. Should be test only. To get a solid understanding and familiarization of how it effects your body. 12 weeks of 500mg test e or c, or, 8 weeks of test p is a really solid first cycle.
make sure you have an ai and pct handy and you should be good to go.
Good luck
---Roman

[Lunk1]

Daily diet
5am
Pre-workout:
8 oz OJ, 1 scoop pre-workout assault

Post-workout/breakfast
8oz 100% cranberry juice, 1 scoop whey isolate (23grams protein), 3 raw eggs, 1 cup 4% cottage cheese large curd

Mid morning snack:
1 cup black beans, 1 cup cheddar cheese, 1/2 cup brown rice

Lunch
3 oz chicken breast, 12 asparagus spears, 2 cup raw spinach, 3 tbsp natural peanut butter

Afternoon snack
3 tbsp cream cheese,10 whole grain crackers, 1 cup steamed broccoli

Dinner
Never set but always a healthy home cooked meal

before bed
2 scoops casein

I can probably have a better diet but for the most part I just try to eat healthy calories

Well Kryp...lets take this whole thing in baby steps. Lets get this diet fixed so that you can get the most out of your first cycle...agreed?

There is not enough protein in this diet to support any real muscle growth.

Rember muscle is water and protein.

You should be getting nearly 1.5 grams per lbs you weigh.

[Full_Auto]

seems like your calorie intake is a little light to put on weight, especially at your height. i only see 5 real meals there, and they are low calorie (aside from the variable dinner meal??). continue to eat clean, but add more calories and another meal/snack. 200g+ protein per day. try to make every meal 50% carb, 30% protein, 20% fat. cut the fat before & after workout. simple carbs are okay for after workout, immediately after.

i also just learned the importance of aminos (glutamine, argenine, ornithine) & creatine for muscle building, so look into these supps as well.

[Lunk1]

If you will jump on over to the nutrition sub forum there is a sticky that explains how to figure your TDEE...you will need to do this to determine how much food you need to take in to grow.

Then you need to figure out the macro breakdown of the foods you eat and determine if you need more or less and of what. I promise you will need more food lol.

If you can do this for me..I will be on here most of the night and we can get this worked out so that you get super gains from that first and best cycle...sound good??

[krpytonitez]

Would any of you be able to give me a sample diet or what should I add to my current diet?

[krpytonitez]

Sounds good to me thank you I will go check the nutrition forums now

[jimmyinkedup]

Sounds good to me thank you I will go check the nutrition forums now

Great we will see you over there. Welcome to the forum.

[krpytonitez]

TDEE
3381

Postworkout breakfast
Oats - 1 cup uncooked, Egg - 3 large,Olive Oil 1 tbsp

Mid morning snack
brown rice 1 cup, 6 oz chicken breast, 20 almonds

lunch
1 large sweet potato, 4 oz pork tenderloin, 1 tbsp natural peanut butter

afternoon snack
3 cup Broccoli, 2 cups spinach, 6 oz chicken breast, 20 almonds

Does this look better?

[Lunk1]

TDEE
3381

Postworkout breakfast
Oats - 1 cup uncooked, Egg - 3 large,Olive Oil 1 tbsp

Mid morning snack
brown rice 1 cup, 6 oz chicken breast, 20 almonds

lunch
1 large sweet potato, 4 oz pork tenderloin, 1 tbsp natural peanut butter

afternoon snack
3 cup Broccoli, 2 cups spinach, 6 oz chicken breast, 20 almonds

Does this look better?

Your getting there man...so you are going to be wanting to take in approx 4000 clean cals to add weight

Now...this takes work on your part...remember its a marothon not a race.

Now..go back over to nutrition, post your proposed diet with your tdee and your goal.

You will want to do your best to add the macros (cals, protein, carbs, and fat) for each food.

Those guys are like having pro nutritionist at your disposal for FREE!

I will be watching and lending a hand were I can. When we get this diet top notch we will get into a cycle. GTG with you???

[krpytonitez]

Sounds good I will tweak the diet some more and let you know what I come up with. Then we can dive into which test would be better Enanthate or Propionate since that is all I can get my hands on as far as test goes.

[Lunk1]

Sounds good I will tweak the diet some more and let you know what I come up with. Then we can dive into which test would be better Enanthate or Propionate since that is all I can get my hands on as far as test goes.

Absolutely!!!

[ineedauser]

6'2" 215lbs at 10% body fat? That's a pretty big dude. Not big big but definitely bigger than most. You squat and deadlift at all? No homo but I'd like to see a picture to confirm that.

[Lunk1]

6'2" 215lbs at 10% body fat? That's a pretty big dude. Not big big but definitely bigger than most. You squat and deadlift at all? No homo but I'd like to see a picture to confirm that.

Did anybody make sure you posted a pic to confirm your stats???
I think it's obvious by the maturity the op is showing that he is most likely not a 19 yo fat kid trying to use juice as a diet. I could be wrong but I doubt that making everyone ppost pics to confirm there stats is appropriate either.

[TOkidd]

I think test enanthate is the best choice for a first-timer. Its long half-life means you only have to inject twice weekly to achieve consistent levels of testosterone in your blood, while propionate has to be injected at least EOD. It's also painless, while many people say propionate hurts a bit post-injection. Enanthate is just simple and easy - exactly what a beginner needs in a cycle. While propionate has its benefits, I'd save it for later cycles.

[ineedauser]

Did anybody make sure you posted a pic to confirm your stats???
I think it's obvious by the maturity the op is showing that he is most likely not a 19 yo fat kid trying to use juice as a diet. I could be wrong but I doubt that making everyone ppost pics to confirm there stats is appropriate either.

Sounds unrealistic, that's why. And my stats could be fake because on paper they do look a bit much for a natural dude. But 90% of lifters don't do legs. That's where my weight comes from.

He doesn't have to post pictures but I honestly believe people try to fool the vets here because they immediately shoot down any advice if they aren't of age or have met their credentials to use steroids. They don't offer advice with the disclaimer of being to young or inexperienced. They just say, no kid, etc... Kids don't wanna hear that nonsense. Good chance this dude is just one of those people. And I know they're out there because a very good friend of mine did this on another forum.

[bobryan]

whats the difference between Test E and Test C ...which is better for a first timer

[krpytonitez]

At work currently I will get a pic up later tonight for you guys. My work out as of right now is reg parks 5 x 5. 3 Days a week I perform front squat, regular squat, bench press, closed grip bench, standing barbell shoulder press, high pull, pull ups, bent over reeves row, and finish with dead lift.

[SportbikerKid]

If he's six two and 215 at 10%, then he's obviously a diet expert. He could get his natty pro card easy.

[Lunk1]

Sounds unrealistic, that's why. And my stats could be fake because on paper they do look a bit much for a natural dude. But 90% of lifters don't do legs. That's where my weight comes from.

He doesn't have to post pictures but I honestly believe people try to fool the vets here because they immediately shoot down any advice if they aren't of age or have met their credentials to use steroids. They don't offer advice with the disclaimer of being to young or inexperienced. They just say, no kid, etc... Kids don't wanna hear that nonsense. Good chance this dude is just one of those people. And I know they're out there because a very good friend of mine did this on another forum.

Your right anyone can come in and PRETEND to be anything. At the end of the day we can only offer the best advise based on the info they give us.

[TOkidd]

whats the difference between Test E and Test C ...which is better for a first timer

The two are very similar. Cyp has a slightly longer half-life. I think enanthate gives you slightly higher peak concentrations of the hormone in your blood (correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading that long-acting esters result in less hormone being released into the blood because the longer-lasting esters weigh more, so while the weight of prop may be, for example, 90% hormone / 10% ester, cypionate might be something like 70% hormone / 30% ester. So for each milligram of test cyp you inject, almost 30% of it is ester). *BTW those numbers were completely random guesses just used to illustrate my point.

I go with enanthate because it is easy to get and cheaper than cyp.

[Lunk1]

whats the difference between Test E and Test C ...which is better for a first timer

There is not enough of a difference between the 2 that it's worth discussing and either would be a good start for a first timer considering they were old enough and that the had a solid diet and work out in place. Not to mention an AI and proper PCT?

[Lunk1]

The two are very similar. Cyp has a slightly longer half-life. I think enanthate gives you slightly higher peak concentrations of the hormone in your blood (correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading that long-acting esters result in less hormone being released into the blood because the longer-lasting esters weigh more, so while the weight of prop may be, for example, 90% hormone / 10% ester, cypionate might be something like 70% hormone / 30% ester. So for each milligram of test cyp you inject, almost 30% of it is ester). *BTW those numbers were completely random guesses just used to illustrate my point.

I go with enanthate because it is easy to get and cheaper than cyp.

You are right TO but the difference is neglagable. I think the diff in half life between E and C id like 12 hours. One would never know the diff between the 2

[Lunk1]

Sounds unrealistic, that's why. And my stats could be fake because on paper they do look a bit much for a natural dude. But 90% of lifters don't do legs. That's where my weight comes from.

He doesn't have to post pictures but I honestly believe people try to fool the vets here because they immediately shoot down any advice if they aren't of age or have met their credentials to use steroids. They don't offer advice with the disclaimer of being to young or inexperienced. They just say, no kid, etc... Kids don't wanna hear that nonsense. Good chance this dude is just one of those people. And I know they're out there because a very good friend of mine did this on another forum.

Let's not forget (and I never asked the op) but most ppl take a stab in the dark at their BF% and the op could actually be 12-15%. Depending on how he figured BF

[ineedauser]

If one is allergic to E, would he or she be allergic to C?

[Lunk1]

If one is allergic to E, would he or she be allergic to C?

My first thought is YES. Again test is test. I would question first if the allergy is most likely from the oil. So many ffod allergies exist and some is made using grapeseed oil or nut based oils to suspend the test

[TOkidd]

Yeah, you CAN'T be allergic to testosterone, since your body makes it naturally, so it has to be the oil you are allergic to. Enanthate, cypionate, etc. I don't think esters are allergenic.

[jay2pay]

Why should you always use test only as your first cycle?

[Lunk1]

Why should you always use test only as your first cycle?

Since test should be the base of ALL cycles it good to know how your body will react to test before adding anything else to it.