having trouble figuring out cycle

[fusion777]

what's up ! I got a few questions about running gear , well to start off i can get my hands on dbol, tren, & winny i was planning on just using dbol for 5 weeks but after reading thats not a very good idea , so my question is can i run tren or winny alone ? preferably tren as thats easier for me to reach , Ive read threads of people using dbol alone and getting good gains is it really all that bad to use it alone ? thanks in advance

[gixxerboy1]

No. Tren alone is even worse

[MickeyKnox]

oral only is not a good idea at all. and neither is oral and tren. you need a test only cycle bro.

test @ 4-500/wk with an ai and hcg on cycle and a proper pct.

[Times Roman]

Mate, test is the only thing you really should be running by itself. If you want to add something to test, then that is the accepted protocol. Any steroid will supress your natural testosterone production, which is why you always include test ina cycle.

make sense?

[MickeyKnox]

try these links for starters..

HCG

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Pregnyl%29-FAQ

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

Steroid Guide

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.TzkpD1F3k34

[t-dogg]

NO, no and no. Dont do any of that. Test should be your first cycle only.

[fusion777]

dam i guess no gear for me thats the only stuff i Cant get ahold of , i thought its all the same there all testosterone and all of them will shut your natural production down , so what would be the risks of running these two alone ? other than the usual sides gyno shrinking ect....

[kronik420]

dbol, winnie, and tren are not testosterone.....

using any of these by themselves will result in you having low test levels, which some of the symptoms are:

Erectile Dysfunction
Decreased Libido
Decreases in Strength
Decreases in Lean Muscle Tissue
Increased Body-Fat
Depression
Decreased Energy
Increased Irritability

doesn't sound too good does it?

[fusion777]

not at all , i was just wondering , i have a friend that ran dbol alone and got some REALLY good gains and the only side he got was acne , and Ive read threads of people using dbol alone and there fine , but hey i trust your guy's advice no gear for me Im so bummed right now lol

[fusion777]

and let me get this right Im finally understanding it , when you go through a cycle of tren , dbol, wistrol ect... they shut down your natural testosterone production YET they are not testosterone so thats where testosterone e comes in to make up for that , correct ?

[gixxerboy1]

and let me get this right Im finally understanding it , when you go through a cycle of tren , dbol, wistrol ect... they shut down your natural testosterone production YET they are not testosterone so thats where testosterone e comes in to make up for that , correct ?

Correct

[kronik420]

and let me get this right Im finally understanding it , when you go through a cycle of tren , dbol, wistrol ect... they shut down your natural testosterone production YET they are not testosterone so thats where testosterone e comes in to make up for that , correct ?

yes. also testosterone only cycles are more than enough too make some massive gains, and is recommended for a 1st cycle.

[austinite]

dbol, winnie, and tren are not testosterone.....

using any of these by themselves will result in you having low test levels, which some of the symptoms are:

Erectile Dysfunction
Decreased Libido
Decreases in Strength
Decreases in Lean Muscle Tissue
Increased Body-Fat
Depression
Decreased Energy
Increased Irritability
doesn't sound too good does it?

Most certainly never use anything without test, but I don't know that the items in red belong on that list.

[fusion777]

Ive also read about alot of people using tren alone and the biggest issue was not being able to get an erection because of low test levels , does that ever come back and do your test levels stay down like that for the rest of your life , sorry for so many questions

[gixxerboy1]

Ive also read about alot of people using tren alone and the biggest issue was not being able to get an erection because of low test levels , does that ever come back and do your test levels stay down like that for the rest of your life , sorry for so many questions

Can go either way

[kronik420]

btw OP, if your stats are correct, 26 yo 6'3 186 pounds, you should really try and make some more gains naturally before using AAS, spend some time in the nutrition forum here's a good start:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-sample-diet...

[kronik420]

Most certainly never use anything without test, but I don't know that the items in red belong on that list.

i got it from:
http://www.steroid.com/Low-Testosterone-Symptoms.php

so....

[austinite]

i got it from:
http://www.steroid.com/Low-Testosterone-Symptoms.php

so....

Yes, it's true. But that article is not assuming Tren/Dbol, etc... is in your system. Again, I will never recommend tren alone, but you will not lose muscle on tren, you will not decrease strength. the opposite rather. Just a very unhealthy way of doing it.

[fusion777]

yeah kronik Im not planning on running anything Untill i reach 190 or a solid 2 , but looks like i wont ever be running anything as i Cant get ahold of test , and gixxerboy what do you mean by it can go either way there was like 3 diffrent questions there please be more specific if you dont mind.

[MickeyKnox]

Yes, it's true. But that article is not assuming Tren/Dbol, etc... is in your system.

totally agree. that list if for low endogenous test..ie Andropause.

[austinite]

yeah kronik Im not planning on running anything Untill i reach 190 or a solid 2 , but looks like i wont ever be running anything as i Cant get ahold of test , and gixxerboy what do you mean by it can go either way there was like 3 diffrent questions there please be more specific if you dont mind.

It can go either way means:

You never know. Everyone is different.

[gixxerboy1]

yeah kronik Im not planning on running anything Untill i reach 190 or a solid 2 , but looks like i wont ever be running anything as i Cant get ahold of test , and gixxerboy what do you mean by it can go either way there was like 3 diffrent questions there please be more specific if you dont mind.

Meaning your test level could or could not come back. Everyone is different

[kronik420]

yeah kronik Im not planning on running anything Untill i reach 190 or a solid 2 , but looks like i wont ever be running anything as i Cant get ahold of test , and gixxerboy what do you mean by it can go either way there was like 3 diffrent questions there please be more specific if you dont mind.

over time, things just happen, you'll meet new people etc.. and in turn get new sources (hopefully 1 that has more than just tren,dbol. and winnie... lol wtf).

but until then, EAT, gym, sleep, repeat.

[fusion777]

i doubt it , but hey maybe in the future this site can help me out