Started first cycle ever (test e) need advice!

[manwithmission]

Hi guys,

I recently just started my first ever cycle 2 weeks ago. It was as follows:

-500 mg/week test e (250mg on mondays, 250mg on fridays) for 10 weeks
-dbol as kicker for first 4 weeks (20/40/40/20)
-arimidex on hand in case of gyno
-HCG on day of last pin at 500 iu ed until PCT
PCT: (2 weeks after last pin)
-nolvadex (40/40/20/20)
-clomid (100/100/50/50)

Now, about 7-10 days into my cycle i started experiencing prostate swelling (weak urine flow, etc.) and after some research, attributed this to the dbol (read that it has higher propensity to converting into DHT and estrogen which is what cause BHP in prostate, and also the test shouldn't have kicked in that soon). I decided to drop the dbol (the extra bloat/waterweight was not worth having prostate problems especially because I couldn't be sure if it was temporary or permanent prostate growth).
After I dropped the dbols out of my cycle, my prostate began to feel better.
However, my blood pressure is still extremely high (154/70) compared to my pre-cycle bp (125/70), and I have been having chest pains, pain in my left arm/shoulder. I'm not sure if I should finish my cycle or drop the test as well. And if I do stop my cycle (2 weeks of injects/ 4 pins) how should i alter my PCT? I have experienced some testicular atrophy so I know some pct will be necessary, just not sure what to change.

Thanks, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[Lunk1]

1) BP will normaly increase a little while on..it's normal

2) USE your AI not have it on hand. High BP is caused by estro...it help regulate mine to a degree.

3) HCG should be run during cycle

4) You could drop your PCT down to N 40/20/20/20 C 100/50/50/50

5) Glad to see ya dropped the dbol

[manwithmission]

Hey Lunk, thanks for the response.

In regards to your suggestions:

1) Can I expect my BP to go down 2 weeks after last pin? I'm a little paranoid because I'm genetically predisposed to hypertension and cardiovascular disease

2) Thanks for the tip, I actually was not aware that increased bp is related to estrogen. How should I run my AI? .5mg ed or eod?

3) How should I run my HCG during cycle? Everyone I spoke to said to save it till after cycle so not to inhibit gains :S

4)was that proposed drop in pct meant for my regular 10 week cycle? or for the scenario I suggested where I drop the test and stop my cycle right now or in the next couple weeks?

5) Ya, I miss the pump it provided, but not worth it at the end of the day

[Lunk1]

Hey Lunk, thanks for the response.

In regards to your suggestions:

1) Can I expect my BP to go down 2 weeks after last pin? I'm a little paranoid because I'm genetically predisposed to hypertension and cardiovascular disease

2) Thanks for the tip, I actually was not aware that increased bp is related to estrogen. How should I run my AI? .5mg ed or eod?

3) How should I run my HCG during cycle? Everyone I spoke to said to save it till after cycle so not to inhibit gains :S

4)was that proposed drop in pct meant for my regular 10 week cycle? or for the scenario I suggested where I drop the test and stop my cycle right now or in the next couple weeks?

5) Ya, I miss the pump it provided, but not worth it at the end of the day

1) yes your BP will frop afte cycle but diet and exercise of course play a roll. It may stay slightly elevated during PCT as well.

2) What is your AI. I like Adex at .25mg ed. You can go .5 EOD. Adjust higher ir necessary

3) I personaly don't use HCG...my choice, but most do and will def. tell you run it through cycel. Mickey will prob. chime in with dosage soon

4) yes the dosage I gave you is for your 10 week cyce although I prefer a 12 week cycle FYI

[thedeerhunter]

Is hcg a necessity while on a test only cycle while taking an ai?

[Lunk1]

Is hcg a necessity while on a test only cycle while taking an ai?

Again this is debateable but MOST will say that it helps with atrophy and getting things back working sooner.

[thedeerhunter]

But I have also read that it is not needed for a teat only cycle. Just wondering, that's all.

[MickeyKnox]

anytime you shut down your hpta i highly recommend you using hcg on cycle 250iu 2/wk one day before your test shot. if you don't care about testicular atrophy, don't use it. but i do.

[Lunk1]

anytime you shut down your hpta i highly recommend you using hcg on cycle 250iu 2/wk one day before your test shot. if you don't care about testicular atrophy, don't use it. but i do.

Told ya Mick would be here...

I have never experienced atrophy...never used HCG

Of course my wife always has my balls

[manwithmission]

1) yes your BP will frop afte cycle but diet and exercise of course play a roll. It may stay slightly elevated during PCT as well.

2) What is your AI. I like Adex at .25mg ed. You can go .5 EOD. Adjust higher ir necessary

3) I personaly don't use HCG...my choice, but most do and will def. tell you run it through cycel. Mickey will prob. chime in with dosage soon

4) yes the dosage I gave you is for your 10 week cyce although I prefer a 12 week cycle FYI

Lunk,

My AI is arimidex. I guess I will run .5 eod

[manwithmission]

anytime you shut down your hpta i highly recommend you using hcg on cycle 250iu 2/wk one day before your test shot. if you don't care about testicular atrophy, don't use it. but i do.

Mickey, thanks for the input. I find hcg to be one of those things where everyone has a different opinion. Because of this and the variety of info online, I'm pretty confused about how to use it properly, not gonna lie. I just took my 5th pin today (first pin for week 3). I have a 5000 iu thing of hog. From my understanding, it is best to run a 10 day blast at 500iu a day after my last pin. What is the benefit of running it throughout the cycle?

Thanks

[stpete]

Mickey answered in post #8. And i agree w/his suggestion.

[manwithmission]

Also, I pin myself. I started off with glutes for my first couple of pins. However I found it extremely hard to aspirate with the pin behind me in that awkward position lol. While the pin went in painlessly (I barely even felt it), the next few days I could barely sit down my ass was so sore. So I decided to try quads. I did my last couple pins on quads and I gotta say I feel the pin going in (pretty gross feeling) especially when I'm emptying the oil into the muscle, and my leg (quad, calf, hammy) is kinda sore and my knee and joints kinda feel sore as well. But the next few days it is nowhere near as sore as a glute shot. I am hesitant to try a delt pin because I feel it would again be hard to aspirate with only one hand.

What are your opinions on pin locations for a beginner like myself?

[MickeyKnox]

youre welcome.

hcg on cycle prevents testicular atrophy (shrinking testicles) and allows for a smoother transition from on cycle to pct which helps to restart your hpta.

[MickeyKnox]

Also, I pin myself. I started off with glutes for my first couple of pins. However I found it extremely hard to aspirate with the pin behind me in that awkward position lol. While the pin went in painlessly (I barely even felt it), the next few days I could barely sit down my ass was so sore. So I decided to try quads. I did my last couple pins on quads and I gotta say I feel the pin going in (pretty gross feeling) especially when I'm emptying the oil into the muscle, and my leg (quad, calf, hammy) is kinda sore and my knee and joints kinda feel sore as well. But the next few days it is nowhere near as sore as a glute shot. I am hesitant to try a delt pin because I feel it would again be hard to aspirate with only one hand.

What are your opinions on pin locations for a beginner like myself?

glute delts quads seem to be the easiest and least painful.

[manwithmission]

Mickey answered in post #8. And i agree w/his suggestion.

Stpete,

Mickey mentioned why it's important to use hcg, not really why it's better to use it throughout the entire cycle rather than after the last pin... Will hcg not have the same effect if I hold off until my last pin?

Just curious, has anyone actually used hcg and tried both (throughout cycle and after last pin) and found one to be more effective than the other?

nvm, just saw your other post Mickey

[austinite]

Stpete,

Mickey mentioned why it's important to use hcg, not really why it's better to use it throughout the entire cycle rather than after the last pin... Will hcg not have the same effect if I hold off until my last pin?

Just curious, has anyone actually used hcg and tried both (throughout cycle and after last pin) and found one to be more effective than the other?

nvm, just saw your other post Mickey

Yes he did bro. testicular atrophy prevention. I'll add that it will help you recover faster.

[manwithmission]

youre welcome.

hcg on cycle prevents testicular atrophy (shrinking testicles) and allows for a smoother transition from on cycle to pct which helps to restart your hpta.

So what would the benefit be in running the hcg as a 10-day blast at 500ius ed like I have heard. Would that be useless, or just a lot less effective in helping me keep my gains and transition into pct?

[MickeyKnox]

you don't use it during pct because hcg is an analog that mimics the lh. during pct the idea is restart your hpta with the help of serms and for your own lh to send signals to your testies to begin producing testosterone. im pretty sure i have that right. if anyone wants to correct feel free but this is how i understand it.

[austinite]

500 ED? Your body wont take that much. Its just a waste. 250iu 2 to 3 times weekly is enough to do the job. Never over 1500/week

[manwithmission]

Alright thanks a lot guys. That helps clear up some of my confusion. Appreciate it.

Back to my first post, has anyone else experienced any prostate inflammation/swelling while on cycle? Everyone I spoke with said they never have. I'm wondering if I had a preexisting condition I did not know about or something that got provoked by the gear.

[austinite]

Also, with that protocol of 500iu ED you're risking the increase of both armoatizing and bio-inactive LH production.