First cycle

[Brooklyn81]

What's going on everyone. How does this look for a first cycle? My goal is to put on 20-30 pounds. My eating habits are very well.

My stats:
Age: 30
Weight: 210lbs (16% body fat)
Height: 5'10
Experience: 15 years lifting weights, on and off


Weeks 1-10:
500mg Sustanon test per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 11:
300mg Sustanon test per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 12:
200mg Sustanon test per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 13:
1.25mg of finasteride per day
.25mg of Arimidex every other day
100mg of clomid every day

Week 14:
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
50mg of clomid every day

[austinite]

Hey Brooklyn,

This is quite different. Where did you get this protocol? Is it something you put together yourself or someone recommended?

[Brooklyn81]

It was recommended by a friend who has some experience with Sustanon. Any critique would be highly appreciated.

[austinite]

It was recommended by a friend who has some experience with Sustanon. Any critique would be highly appreciated.

Looks like a mess. This is what I would do...

Weeks 1 to 12 - Sust @ 500mg every week, pinned twice (mon/Thur -- 250mg each)
Weeks 1 to 12 - Adex @ 0.25 Every other day.
Weeks 1 to 12 - HCG @ 500iu every week, pinned twice (mon/Thur -- 250iu each)

Take 2 weeks off -- stop injecting sust, HCG and stop Adex.

Now you can start PCT, should be both clomid and nolva, dosed like so... clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 (each number is representative of the daily dose for that week, for 4 weeks total PCT time.

You dont need to taper off the sust. That's very old school. You can keep extra nolva on hand should you see signs of gyno, works great for reversal.

What is your daily energy expenditure, and how many calories are you eating? Proteins, fats, carbs?

[Brooklyn81]

Thanks for the advice. I have not been really counting calories as of yet. I usually have three shakes of 50 grams each and three solid meals a day. I currently don't have HCG available, so I will probably go ahead and start without it.

[austinite]

Thanks for the advice. I have not been really counting calories as of yet. I usually have three shakes of 50 grams each and three solid meals a day. I currently don't have HCG available, so I will probably go ahead and start without it.

Ok. I'd hit up the nutrition section. Post exactly what you eat and let the pro's critique it. I know you said your eating habits are good, but that's not good enough. If you don't eat the right stuff and enough of it, you will not gain a single pound. Sust will help amplify your results, but if you're not feeding it properly, all it's going to do is preserve current muscle tissue.

Best of luck to you. Looking forward to your progress.

[Brooklyn81]

How does this diet plan look?

Meal 1: 2 scoops whey protein (240 calories, 48g protein, 6g carbs, 2g fat, 2g sugar)
1 cup of 2% milk (120 calories, 8g protein, 12g carbs, 5g fat, 12g sugar)
Total Macros: 360 calories, 56g protein, 18g carbs, 7g fat, 14g sugar
Note: First meal is immediately upon waking up. Two hours later, I will have my second meal.

Meal 2: 1 cup of egg whites (120 calories,24g protein, 4g carbs, 0g fat, 1g sugar)
1 cup of 2% milk (120 calories, 8g protein, 12g carbs, 5g fat, 12g sugar)
2 slices of extra lean ham (50 calories, 10g protein, 0g carbs, 1g fat, 0g sugar)
1 cup of dry oats (300 calories, 10g protein, 54g carbs, 6g fat, 2g sugar)
Total Macros: 590 calories, 52g protein, 70g carbs, 12g fat, 15g sugar

Meal 3: 2 cans of tuna (240 calories, 52g protein, Og carbs, 4g fat, 0g sugar)
1 tbsp of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (120 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 14g fat, 0g sugar)
2 slices of whole wheat bread (240 calories, 8g protein, 42g carbs, 3g fat, 8g sugar)
Total Macros: (600 calories, 60g protein, 42g carbs, 17g fat, 8g sugar

Meal 4: 2 scoops whey protein (240 calories, 48g protein, 6g carbs, 2g fat, 2g sugar)
1 cup of 2% milk (120 calories, 8g protein, 12g carbs, 5g fat, 12g sugar)
1 cup of dry oats (300 calories, 10g protein, 54g carbs, 6g fat, 2g sugar)
Total Macros: 660 calories, 66g protein, 72g carbs, 11g fat, 16g sugar

Meal 5: 8oz chicken breast (200 calories, 44g protein, 0g carbs, 2g fat, 0g sugar)
1 tbsp of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (120 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 14g fat, 0g sugar)
2 cups of brown rice (340 calories, 8g protein, 72g carbs, 3g fat, 0g sugar)
1 cup of mixed vegetables (80 calories, 4g protein, 16g carbs, 0g fat, 6g sugar)
Total macros: 620 calories, 56g protein, 88g carbs, 5g fat, 6g sugar

Meal 6: 2 slices of whole wheat bread (240 calories, 8g protein, 42g carbs, 3g fat, 8g sugar)
2tbsp of peanut butter (190 calories, 7g protein, 14g carbs, 16g fat, 6g sugar)
1 cup of 2% milk (120 calories, 8g protein, 12g carbs, 5g fat, 12g sugar)
Total Macros:550 calories, 23g protein, 68g carbs, 24g fat, 26g sugar

Meal 7: 2 scoops of casein protein (240calories, 48g protein, 6g carbs, 2g fat, 2g sugar)
1 cup of 2% milk (120 calories, 8g protein, 12g carbs, 5g fat, 12g sugar)
Total Macros: 360 calories, 56g protein, 18g carbs, 7g fat, 14g sugar


4,100 calories
369g protein
376g carbs
97g fat
99g sugar

BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate)= 1312.5+ 889.7- 203.25 + 66.5 = 2065.45 calories per day

Daily energy expenditure =1.725 x 2065.45 = 3562.9

[austinite]

It looks good. But man, that's a lot of milk. Not a fan of that... also, a sizable portion of your protein is coming from your shakes. I'd find a way to switch a couple of those shakes for real food. If it helps... you really don't need nearly 400 grams of protein. Your LBM is 176.4 -- so that times 1.75 (this is my preference for calculating protein needs) = 308 grams. So that should enable you to get rid of at least 1 shake. It's not easy to keep BF down when bulking, but the more you can do to minimize it the better.

If you can afford Ezekiel bread, I would switch to that. Other breads are just sugar. Everything else looks great. Good job, sounds like you're really putting in the effort in the nutrition department.

[Brooklyn81]

I started my first cycle yesterday pinning a few hours before I went to the gym. Had a great leg workout, but the glutes are feeling a little sore today. I know this is normal. Looking forward to seeing great gains.

[mrglorious]

Any gains ?

[Wazz]

Any gains ?

He just started yesterday

[Brooklyn81]

Today was my second pin and things went pretty smoothly. What i thought was odd was that after pulling out the pin, I had no spot of blood like the way I had when i first pinned. I must of hit the sweet spot on the glutes, lol

[stpete]

austinite has you on the right track.

Good Luck

[drdave304]

that sust flu get ready!!

[Brooklyn81]

Update

Here's a little update. I started off my cycle 4 weeks ago with no problems. 2 weeks into my cycle I strained my left shoulder pretty bad. I stopped pinning after the second week. So today makes 2 weeks since I stopped pinning. I was planning to take another 2 weeks off the gym until I feel I am ready to go back without putting my body at a greater risk. I did not experienced any side effects and did put on 8lbs (bringing me up to 218lbs) while maintaing a 16% percent body fat. Do I have to start PCT (even though I only pinned 4 times) or can I go ahead and skip it?