Lost in the sauce

[scoot]

6 ft
225
about 19/20% bf
age 28

Meal 1:
Protein shake (w/ bananna and glutamine)

Meal 2:
Tuna sandwich (1 full can) and mustard

WORKOUT

Meal 3:
Chicken salad w/ little fat free dressing and cucumbers


Meal 4:
Dinner with 1 peice of bread, fish or chicken and veggies

Meal 5:
A few eggs or turkey meat before bed

As I worked this out its roughly 2500 cals.

Ive been running this for a month with little response.
now I do a hard weight lift rutine (5x a week, 1 body group for 45mins-1hr)

not cutting down as fast as I figured it would go and Im not doing this perfect, I know. But I was told that cardio drive on this would put my cal intake to low and make it worse (IE loss of muscle mass)

Any Ideas?

[mockery]

unless on drugs there will always be a loss of muscle while cutting. its teh nature of the game.

[bigmatt33]

What is your TDEE? My guess is that if you ate what you posted everyday then you would be loosing weight. The problem I have is that I like to have cheat meals.

[--->>405<<---]

scoot welcome man!

first off at 225lbs 20%bf ur rough starting maintenance cals are 2700cals

u should be eating around 2200cals

read sticky: dieting 101: cutting

i prefer 60/20/20 pro/carb/fat split

also u need to figure total macros for whatever diet u run.

[scoot]

I got 1 cheat meal a week at this point. Oh and Im finishing a winni cycle . I start post cycle at the end of the week.

[scoot]

when I run the online maintenance cal thing they all say about 3500??? I will do the math tomarrow to figure out the specifics of each item

[--->>405<<---]

6 ft
225
about 19/20% bf
age 28

I got 1 cheat meal a week at this point. Oh and Im finishing a winni cycle . I start post cycle at the end of the week.

so ur 19-20%bf and u just FINISHED a cycle of winstrol? did u run anything else with it? not to sound mean but this already tells me u have no idea what ur doing!

when I run the online maintenance cal thing they all say about 3500??? I will do the math tomarrow to figure out the specifics of each item

this ought to be good evidence of why u dont want to use online calculators!

a good rule of thumb for starting maintenance cals: (LBM x 15)
at 225lbs 20%bf u have 45lbs fat and 180lbs LBM
180 x 15 = 2700cals

IMO if u havent already u need to post ur cycle in the AAS Q and A forum to find out proper PCT protocol. depending on what other gear u have been running with the winstrol u will need to focus on recovering ur HPTA primarily and then worry about cutting later. typically when coming off a cycle calories need to be increased thru PCT to aide in recovery as well as establish gains made during cycle.

in the mean time i suggest u read stickies: (if u havent already)


dieting 101: cutting:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g#.UHq0CMXeemg

how to bulk:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UHq0K8Xeemg

[scoot]

THANKS 405 that makes alot more sense, Im planning on starting up nolvedex (40/20/20/20) . I did read the cutting sticky as well, I will read again. Thanks again