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    First Cycle

    first cycle for Next year Feb, i want to plan it now so I'm well prepared for it.

    Preworkout sup: Jack3d

    Test E only to see how the body reacts - 12 Weeks @ 500mg/week followed by a PCT(Aromasin @ 12.5mg/eod)
    *after the Test E cycle could someone recommend a good cycle please? I've been thinking about TrenA as told to stay away from TrenE as a first cycle

    I also researched that Aromasin during the cycle is more effective and can be used during the PCT, correct me if I'm wrong.

    Routine: Mon-Thurs and Sat

    Monday: Chest/Biceps

    Tuesday: Legs/Calves

    Wednesday: Back

    Thursday: Shoulders/Triceps

    Saturday: Full Body

    Diet plan:

    Meal 1 – 6 boiled Eggs, 2 cups of Oatmeal and a Protein Shake(Monster Mass)
    Meal 2 – 300g Chicken Breast (boiled) Broccoli and Brown Rice
    Meal 3 – 200g Tuna chunks in spring water, mixed with Spinach Leaves, and Pasta
    Have your workout. Immediately post workout, consume your Whey Protein(Serious Mass 100% Gold Whey protein)
    Meal 4 – Stir fry Beef/Mince with some vegetables
    Meal 5 – Steak and Brussels Sprouts
    Meal 6 – 4 scrambled Eggs and some Salmon

    Stats: 5'8 @ 135lbs at the moment. Will update in February before the cycle as I will be training till then.

    Post cycle could I use Accutane @ 30mg a day if mild acne is developed or can anyone suggest ways to keep it away during cycle as I do not want to resort to accutane during the cycle as it is toxic to the liver at high dosages but I'm sure a low dosage should be fine, once again correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Sorry bro youre too young to cycle.Best bet is to keep it natural for the next few years and slowly grow and when the time comes instead of being at 135lbs youll be at 165 with a lot of weightliftng and nutrition experience.No need to mess yourself up at such a young age with anabolic steroids and risk being on trt for life.Be smart,be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by havanakid View Post
    Sorry bro youre too young to cycle.Best bet is to keep it natural for the next few years and slowly grow and when the time comes instead of being at 135lbs youll be at 165 with a lot of weightliftng and nutrition experience.No need to mess yourself up at such a young age with anabolic steroids and risk being on trt for life.Be smart,be safe.
    Sorry to ask but what is TRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayalexinf
    Sorry to ask but what is TRT?
    Testosterone
    Replacement
    Therapy

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    At 18yrs old you shouldn't shut down your natural test, if you do you could start having problems which you wished you never had.



    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.


    You also need to learn how to eat to grow because at 135lbs your problem is your diet. Please head over to the diet section and read the bulking stickies. Spend the next few yrs building a base from training and diet. Takes time but you will be in a far better position to use steriods once you have matured and build s foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300
    At 18yrs old you shouldn't shut down your natural test, if you do you could start having problems which you wished you never had.

    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

    You also need to learn how to eat to grow because at 135lbs your problem is your diet. Please head over to the diet section and read the bulking stickies. Spend the next few yrs building a base from training and diet. Takes time but you will be in a far better position to use steriods once you have matured and build s foundation.
    Truer words could not be spoken. Not what you want to hear OP, but Marcus wouldn't steer you wrong. You're getting great advise from one of the best, reputable members.

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    Thanks for that. I haven't started the diet I stated above. I will be starting in December as money was an issue. Not an issue anymore. I will be updating my progression till Feb and then get opinions. Reason being why I'm 135lbs was my terrible diet. I have looked through the sticky with the diet videos and compiled the above diet to be most effective and healthy for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Truer words could not be spoken. Not what you want to hear OP, but Marcus wouldn't steer you wrong. You're getting great advise from one of the best, reputable members.
    Yes I trust the advice he has given, I should gain nicely when I start that diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayalexinf
    Yes I trust the advice he has given, I should gain nicely when I start that diet.
    Yes. Yes you will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayalexinf View Post
    Thanks for that. I haven't started the diet I stated above. I will be starting in December as money was an issue. Not an issue anymore. I will be updating my progression till Feb and then get opinions. Reason being why I'm 135lbs was my terrible diet. I have looked through the sticky with the diet videos and compiled the above diet to be most effective and healthy for myself.
    Diet is key bro.I like your protein choice.Optimun nutrition makes great supplements.If possible use ON Pro Complex and get you some bcaas..lots of aminos bro and a solid clean bulk diet and youll be on your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by havanakid View Post
    Diet is key bro.I like your protein choice.Optimun nutrition makes great supplements.If possible use ON Pro Complex and get you some bcaas..lots of aminos bro and a solid clean bulk diet and youll be on your way.
    Yeah I have been researching about this for months. I was sick of being thin as f*ck! I used to be 119.05lbs!!!! That was last year december when I was 17. Ever since then I have been at gym on and off due to oversea's trips and studies. But now im fully devoted to gym. Its part of my lifestyle. I only been going to gym for the past month now and I will be there forever now. My test was also low as a teen ager but ever since Jan i have seen improvements.

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    the black and white one is my friend across the road and the color is me atm. He was 19 in the photo. I want to look like that and mayb later on i'll get bigger. I'm going to be gyming with him today i will get his stats
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    help with course

    I'm currently on 6 week of a 14 week course I'm taking sus 500 a week and deca 400 all pct ready iv ran out of deca and can't get hold of it so am I able to just carry on with the sus for rest of course or will this be a problem if some one coulkd help be appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlow1234 View Post
    I'm currently on 6 week of a 14 week course I'm taking sus 500 a week and deca 400 all pct ready iv ran out of deca and can't get hold of it so am I able to just carry on with the sus for rest of course or will this be a problem if some one coulkd help be appreciated
    You can open your own thread but i dont mind its more info

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    okay guys i've made up my mind. I'm going to diet till December 2013 with dedication and supp's like jack3d and 100% whey ect. See how it goes then mayb i'll think of juicing.

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